Brian Swimme: Love in the Cosmos
Sex, Love and Intimacy
Chip August

Episode 40 - Brian Swimme: Love in the Cosmos

Most of us have some basic knowledge of the “big bang” theory – that billions of years ago there was a singular event, the big bang, that created all the matter and energy in the Universe.  My guest, Brian Swimme has a doctorate in gravitational dynamics and is an expert on the mathematics of gravity.  But unlike most scientists, Dr. Swimme sees and articulates the relationship between these scientific events and the role of humanity in the unfolding story of Earth and Cosmos.  Currently a professor of Cosmology at the California Institute for Integral Studies (CIIS) Brian is a passionate and fascinating speaker who believes that the fundamental force in the Universe is “love” and we humans are here to make the Universe aware of love, to bring consciousness to love.  Please join us for a completely unique and hopeful view of the power and glory of love.  And don’t miss Dr. Swimme’s awe inspiring exercise for you to try at home.



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Chip August: Welcome to “Sex, Love and Intimacy”. I'm your host, Chip August. Today on the show, we're going to be talking about the role of love in the cosmology of the universe. We're going to be talking to Brian Swimme, a PhD from the University of Oregon in Gravitational Dynamics. But his research, his work really focuses on Evolutionary Dynamics of the Universe on the relationship between the scientific story, scientific cosmology and more traditional cosmology.

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Brian Swimme: We tend to focus on consciousness, even human consciousness as being so important. Obviously it is but I like to emphasize the fact the level of being there is love as well so that there's a deep, deep attraction. We can find ourselves in the midstuff [sp] and only wake up to it later, we will fall in love. Then months go by and suddenly, we realize, “Wow! I'm in love!”

Using love now as a word that refers to the whole cosmological dimension of attraction, love brought forth complexity in the universe and then burst into awareness of itself. So we are the place in which the original primal love of the universe is aware of itself and we're aware of that every time we fall in love.

As the human species learns to embody love, the entire planet goes through a fundamental transformation because all human presence now permeates all of the species of life. We're in the middle of this very deep transfiguration of the earth community. So while we were just another species on this planet, but right now, we have spread all over the planet. Our activities form the context in which other life forms are evolving.

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Chip August: Welcome to “Sex, Love and Intimacy”. I'm your host, Chip August. Today on the show, we're going to be talking about the role of love in the cosmology of the universe. We're going to be talking to Brian Swimme. Brian is an amazing man. He has a PhD from the University of Oregon in Gravitational Dynamics. But his research, his work really focuses on Evolutionary Dynamics of the Universe, on the relationship between a scientific stories, scientific cosmology and more traditional cosmology.

He's a professor of Cosmology at the California Institute of Integral Studies and author of many, many books. But one that particular moved me called “The Universe is a Green Dragon: A Cosmic Creation Story”. I just think Brian Swimme is one of the great interpreters of Modern Physics, how we think the world works in a way that really touches the human spirit. I'm really, really glad to have you on our show.

Welcome to the show.

Brian Swimme: Thanks, Chip, great to be here.

Chip August: So let's just start with that. By training, you're a physicist. How did you come to be talking about things that to me seem much more spiritual? You're not just talking about gravitational dynamics, you're talking about the growth of ethics and love and the whole of humans. How did that transition happened?

Brian Swimme: It was an amazing moment. I was in grad school and I'm just doing math and mathematics day and night. But late at night, I'd be talking to the other grad students and it hit me one day that here's this guy from Russia and here's this other guy from Pakistan and we all had the same understanding of the birth and development of the universe. It was just so moving that even though we had grown up in such different cultures, we had a common story of our origins and our development. I was just so thrilled by that, I've been exploring ever since.

Chip August: Yes. It's kind of no matter where they're from a common…yes.

Brian Swimme: Yes. They can be Christian, Moslem, secular, just it didn’t matter. We all agreed that we came out of the stars and I thought, “Wow! What does this mean? What does it mean that the humans have discovered a common creation story?” Usually, we always have wars and everything from people that have different understanding of the universe and they have their place in it. I thought, “Man, this can be big stuff.” So I've been thinking about it ever since.

Chip August: How did that come about? How does it come about that such disparate backgrounds but such common stories?

Brian Swimme: That’s the power of science. We're just using things we can see and observe, and then we got to a place as we developed our understanding, we got to this place where we can actually interact with the light from the birth of the universe.

Chip August: Wow!

Brian Swimme: It's not based on any book or any sacred scriptures. It's just that base on stuff we can see. So it's so convincing. It doesn’t matter how you were raised. It's so convincing that we're discovering something really deep and important.

Chip August: OK, so there we are. We're looking with radio telescopes and things and we're actually sort of at the Big Bang. We're looking at the instance--maybe we're not right at that moment before we were seeing pretty far into that. [xx]. Most scientists, it's just a piece of information, “OK, now we understand how it works.” But you, you are now taking that next step and try to tell us not just how it works but what it means.

Brian Swimme: Yes. I think scientists, in general,--the stuff we're looking at is complicated and it takes all of your mind to focus on that so the scientists that are gathering the information, they're interested in these questions but they haven’t got any extra energy for it. So I'm trying to provide that to use all of these discoveries and to wonder about it. What does that mean? It's not as if I'm doing something that they wouldn’t be capable of doing, not at all. It's just I feel like I'm part of a whole enterprise.

Chip August: So that those that want to devout all their time to that calculations and the mathematics of it can do that and you’ll spend your time making that bridge between mathematics and …

Brian Swimme: And the meaning…it's not as if we just have calculations. We actually are physically interacting with the lights from the birth of the universe. I mean, the more I think about it, the more amazed I am. We're actually looking at the birth of the universe as opposed to hearing about in a book or a text or the tales from the village’s elder. We're actually seen the birth of the universe. I don’t think we're going to really understand what that means for years and years and years, but I'm just trying to reflect on it and let it sink in to my soul.

Chip August: Yes. I'm listening to your passion for it. I don’t think I ever really thought of it the way you're saying it.

Brian Swimme: I mean, it's like say, you hear stories about the whole maritime stories about the Odyssey, about Odysseus, you're sailing them in the Mediterranean. But what if we were actually watching that? You could just imagine how thrilling that would be! That’s what it's like for scientists. We are aware of the fact that we are in direct contact with these events.

In a certain sense, they took place billions of years ago but you see the light from those events has been traveling toward us 14 billions of years and it's just now reaching us. So we're seeing these events just as if you saw a person on the far ridge several miles away, the light you would see was coming from that person. So you're actually watching that person even though the light took time to get you. Same thing with us, the light from the birth of the universe has taken 14 billion years to get to us but now we're seeing it.

Chip August: So we're not looking back in time, in a way, we're looking as it's happening because it took that long for the image to get to our eye.

Brian Swimme: Exactly. We're looking at an event that took place 14 billion years ago but we are watching it happen.

Chip August: The reason we know it took place 14 billion years ago because we know how long it takes for light to travel to us.

Brian Swimme: Yes. That’s the calculations that science come in, how fast light travels, we know how far away different galaxies are and so we make these calculations. Exactly.

Chip August: Got it. OK, why should we care about the meaning? Why does it matter? Yes, that’s right [xx] being this phenomenon.

Brian Swimme: Yes, it's like in a certain sense, why do we care about the sunrise? I mean, the sun comes up and we just go, “Wow! It's done! It just feel so great!” The more we learn about it, we start to realize we learn that the sun is 93 million miles away. That’s amazing and that it's a million times the size of earth. So you're like, “Wow!” The more you learn about it, the more amazing it is and here's dawn [sp] again, it's so thrilling.

As a species, we are experiencing the dawn of the universe. And just as we're thrilled by the sun coming up, we are going to think ever more deeply into the thrill of seeing the universe coming up. Same thing, it's the same thing.

Chip August: I got it. I got it. We're watching. What I hear in what you're saying is we are present at birth and whatever birth--I mean, anybody who’s listening who’s ever going to be present at any birth--has that experience of that wonder and awe. It's just the experience being present at birth.

Brian Swimme: That’s perfect. That’s exactly what it is. Or stunned, it's just like, “Where did this instant [sp] come from?” We're just stunned out of our mind. So it's this something deeply right about being stunned and being overwhelmed by awe and in all these different ways and one of them is in terms of cosmology, being stunned by the birth of the universe and by its development and all the different moments of birth of galaxies and stars and so forth.

Chip August: One of the things that I'm struck by when I read “The Universe is a Green Dragon”, I'm really, really struck by--for you, there's no inconsistency with what you're seeing and with what all the different great wisdom teachings have taught. That I know you're not basically saying, “Oh, no, this religion is wrong or that religion is right.” You basically have a view that says, “See, everyone of these stories was a version of this thing that we're seeing.” [xx] to explain it.

Brian Swimme: There’d be certain things and certain religions have become obsolete for sure, but I think at the core of the different religions is something very similar to what is taking place in contemporary Cosmology. Like I say, it's having our minds broken open. It's having our ordinary everyday consciousness just shattered and we're just left wondering about everything. In a certain sense, I think that experience of being shattered and of wondering, I think that’s core to all the great philosophical religious and artistic traditions.

Chip August: Yes. While you were stating that, I was thinking of the word “epiphany”.

Brian Swimme: That’s it. That is the experience, the light breaking through the epiphany. Exactly.

Chip August: Yes, somehow or the other, you connect all these to love. So I want to steer us from the bigger, broader picture here to what happens between human beings. So it seems to me like what you were saying is that everywhere we look in the universe, there is some form of allurement or attraction. Did I get that right? That there's magnetism and gravity, there's attraction.

Brian Swimme: Yes. We have this reality of attraction and my own personal story here is that in grad school, I was studying gravity. So I was looking at all the mathematics and I knew so much about the gravitational interaction. One day, I had this epiphany. I was with my father and we’re on this fishing trip and I was just dropping this rock. I was sitting there on the ground and I'm dropping this rock. I'd pick it up and I'd release it from my hand and it’ll go “flood” and I'd take it up again and I'd release it.

As I was doing this, I was thinking of all of the mathematically equations I'd been studying for five years. I realized in that moment that I did not know why the rock was dropping…

Chip August: Right, right. You could describe its path, you could describe its speed, you could describe what was happening without any awareness of “Why is this going on?”

Brian Swimme: Exactly. I realized at that moment that the why was simply that the universe is permeated with attraction or I was fascinated by the word “allurement”. It's just is, there's nothing you can explain it, it just is. Then I started to think about the way in which the entire universe is permeated with this form of allurement that we call “gravity”. Then I thought about the whole life story as permeated with this allurement we call “electrical attraction”. Then I realized that our own attraction as humans when we're drawn to someone or to some thing or even to an idea, but that draw, that allurement is just as fundamental as what holds together all of these stars and galaxies.

So I kind of in that moment realized that a lot of our language in the modern period has collapsed into just the human experience. So that we always use the word like love as to describe what is happening between two humans. In that moment, I started to see how there's a possibility of leaving behind that tight focus on language and opening up and realizing that the word “love” really refers to this attraction that is throughout the universe, one form of which is human love, another form of which is “galactic attraction”.

Chip August: All right. Now, I want to talk more about this but I want to take a break. So we're going to come back, listeners, and we're going to talk about this intersection between love and Physics and what this all means.

But I also want to give a chance to support our sponsors and have our sponsors support us. You're listening to “Sex, Love and Intimacy”. I'm Chip August, I'm talking to cosmologist Brian Swimme and we'll be right back after these messages.

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Chip August: We're back. Welcome back to “Sex, Love and Intimacy”. I'm talking to Brian Swimme. He's a professor of Cosmology at the California Institute of Integral Studies. He's an expert in Gravitational Dynamics, but more than that, much more than that, Brian Swimme has a way of taking Physics and taking the human experience and seeing what that intersection is. We're just talking about love when we broke and I want to keep talking about love again here because it seems like you're saying stars love or electricity love. Is that what you're saying?

Brian Swimme: You're going to get me in trouble.

Chip August: No, I'm not. I'm not going to get you to trouble.

Brian Swimme: What I'm trying to say is that if I'm thinking about what's happening in our universe? What are the powers of our universe? One of them, in a certain sense, the most pervasive would be attraction and that attractive power lives in multiple forms one of which is human love. So I think of this cosmic allurement in the form of the human is human love. So, a person could say then that the stars are held together by gravitational attraction is that is love in the form of stellar dynamics. Now, that’s using the word “love” in a cosmological sense which is very, very unusual in Western society. So, yes, as long as that's understood.

Chip August: I got it. So it's not a conscious desire to love but--I actually sometimes use this example when I'm talking about anger to people. There are many, many kinds of radiation and we, in current society, get really worried about radiation in the atmosphere. We don’t really think about the fact that that’s why we enjoy the beach is because we're lying, having the sun radiating on us. That radiation is quite pleasant and wonderful and human beings actually need that sunlight to survive. You're using love in that broad sense also.

Brian Swimme: Exactly, exactly. Also I would say that I think our modern society is little bit skewed so we tend to favor humans and focus on humans and so we tend to focus on consciousness even human consciousness as being so important. Obviously it is, but I like to emphasize the fact that at the level of being, there is love as well so that there's a deep, deep attraction what we can find ourselves in the midstuff [sp] and only wake up to it later.  I think this happens to all of us, we will fall in love and then months go by and then suddenly we realize, “Wow! I'm in love!”

We feel some deep level of attraction and then that attraction actually permeates into our consciousness. So I tend to put the attraction that is primal and then consciousness of it as something that comes later. In that sense, what I'm saying is that the stars had this attraction for each other and that set the level of being at the level of power. As far I know, they don’t ever have a consciousness awareness of that but that in no way denigrates what's taking place.

Chip August: This all gets really complicated because if I understand and I must admit I was a Philosophy major, I'm not a Science person--but as I understand it, some 14 billion years ago, there was a big explosion and all the matter energy of the universe was created.

Brian Swimme: Yes.

Chip August: Which, if it's all the matter and the energy in the universe, it means that stuff of the stars was created; the stuff of the planet was created; the stuff that becomes trees; the stuff that becomes human beings, all is of the same source.

Brian Swimme: Exactly.

Chip August: I know that most humans don’t really see us this way but that we are stars, we are planets, we're made of the stuff of the universe.

Brian Swimme: Exactly. It's one of the greatest discoveries, I think, of all of human history.

Chip August: Yes. So we're subject to certain physical laws that the universe is subject to and you've kind of clump together the group of those laws that has to do--I like your word, allurement--with that experience of being drawn toward something. We're going to call that in the broad sense, love.

Brian Swimme: Yes. So we call that in the broad sense love which would mean there's a gravitational attraction, there's an electrical attraction and the other forms of attraction and then the picture goes like this. At the very, very beginning, the universe comes in to existence and these various forms of matter experience an attraction for each other. By responding to that, they complexify and over time gave birth to galaxies and then living beings and humans. So that very attraction is what gave rise to our existence in our consciousness. We are becoming aware of the attraction that actually gave birth to us. That would be the way to summarize the whole story in terms of attraction or love.

Using love now as a word that refers to the whole cosmological dimension of attraction, love brought forth complexity in the universe and then burst into awareness of itself. So we are the place in which the original primal love of the universe is aware of itself and we're aware of that every time we fall in love.

Chip August: I think I'm hearing what you're saying and you can tell me if I'm wrong here. This is just a natural order of evolution that what we observe in the universe is simple things complexify. So this simple allurement or attraction, as it gets more and more complex as it shows up as it evolves, eventually evolve self-awareness which is what we humans are.

Brian Swimme: There we are. There it is. There's the whole story.

Chip August: So what I think you're saying--and this is why I was really moved by your book--that, in a way, the purpose of human beings is to reflect love, is to be self-aware of love, is to be conscious about love, is to be that conscious expression of love, as far as we know, in the universe.

Brian Swimme: Yes, all of those phases. Another way to say this is that the primal love of the universe is one thing to become human. So we are this amazing daring experiment and we are, in our struggles with relationships, we are the universe learning to become love in the form of human.

Chip August: Then, that would leave me to think that as we humans evolve, increasingly we move towards more and more loving existence, more and more consciously loving existence.

Brian Swimme: Exactly. That would be one interpretation of the whole 14 billion year story. And, one add of thing to put on there, as the human species learns to embody love, the entire planet goes through a fundamental transformation because our human presence now permeates all of the species of life on the planet. We're in the middle of this very deep, really transfiguration of the 25:45 community.

Chip August: Say more about that. I don’t know what you mean.

Brian Swimme: Well, I mean, in the sense that it isn’t just the case that the human as another species, so why are we just another species on this planet. But right now, because of our various powers, we have spread all over the planet and our activities form the context in which other life forms are evolving.

To put it in stark terms, the central insight of Charles Darwin was that life evolves primarily by natural selection, and that’s no longer true. What has happened is that the human presence has swamped natural selection. So now, our presence, our cultural selection is the primary shaping of life. One way to say it is that if you look at a cheetah, for instance, and this magnificent form of a cheetah. That magnificence was a result of natural selection.

But now, the cheetah is evolving inside of these zoos that we've created. The cheetah doesn’t have a wilderness in which it can evolve. It only has this mega zoo that is an expression of human consciousness. We've decided where it will evolve so that the fate of the cheetah in the future is being determined by our human consciousness so that, the point here is that as we, humans move more deeply into body and love, all of the other species are going to be affected as well.

Chip August: Right, because all species are affected by us from everything, from global warming and toxicity in the oceans to making decisions like, “OK, we're going to built homes where a cheetah’s homeland was and grow cheetahs in zoos.”

Brian Swimme: Exactly.

Chip August: Got it.

Brian Swimme: Exactly. This change is the biggest change that’s happen in evolution for at least 3 billion years.

Chip August: Wow! OK, I need to pause again. I love this, I love this. Your thinking really complicated things and I'm saying them really, really clearly and I really appreciate that.

Brian Swimme: Thanks, Chip.

Chip August: We want to give a moment here for our sponsors to chime in. Listeners, do come back after the announcements because Brian has an exercise for you to do, something that grows out of his work.

So you're listening to “Sex, Love and Intimacy”. I'm Chip August and we'll be right back.

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Chip August: Welcome back. You're listening to “Sex, Love and Intimacy”. I'm your host, Chip August. I'm talking to Brian Swimme. He's a cosmologist, a professor of Cosmology at the California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) here in Northern California. We've been talking about love and we've been talking about the role of humans as the source of consciousness and love together. Listeners, you know, my show is really about personal love; it's about interpersonal love; it's about relationships and what not.

So I'm wondering, are you saying that, maybe, our feelings of love and our natural outpouring of love to other human beings and to each other and to our children is, in fact, the universe’s logical next growth step? Like we're doing the work of building the cosmos.

Brian Swimme: Yes, yes. That’s exactly yes, but let me just say one word about that.

Chip August: Say it in many words.

Brian Swimme: If I had to pick the one discovery that I'm most thrilled by in all of modern science, it would be that we've discovered the universe has its own sense of timing. It's just amazing! So that it isn’t just that anything can happen at anytime, the universe goes the sequence.

To give you one example, when the universe began, it begins with just elementary particles of matter and light. Then these start to complexify and come together, as we've been saying, in terms of the attractions are all summed together and then it begins to build up. Then around the billion years after the burst the universe, the galaxies start to form. Galaxies consist of hundreds of billions of stars.

But here's, the amazing thing. Before this moment, there were no galaxies. After this moment, there hasn’t been a single galaxy created. At this moment, the universe set about creating galaxies. So the universe has this, just like I say, sense of timing that when it was to bring something forth, it just sets about it and makes that happen. One more example would be, in terms of our planet, in terms of bringing forth life. Life comes forth around 3.9 billion years ago. There's no life here before that moment and then after that, new life has not been created. It's almost as if life had to be created in that time, since then, of course, life keeps generating itself but there's no new molecules that are turning in to life.

So what I find so thrilling about that is that we, too, are part of that whole process. So we, in this moment, we're part of something that’s being constructed. And exactly what that is, well, people have opinions but my own sense is that with this whole movement of globalization that we hear about and so forth, we're seeing the moment when life is folding back on itself in human consciousness. It's folding back on itself and awakening to its meaning, its magnificence, and its attempting to bring forth, as I say, a species that embodies love.

After 13.7 billion years of the universe, after 3.9 billion years of life, we find ourselves in a moment when this crucial activity of deepening our love for one another, our compassion for one another, not just for humans, but our compassion for and our care for and our love for all of the different species in all of the different components of our planet. It's just this amazing moment of cosmological creativity. That’s how I see it.

Chip August: It's our time and in the universe, in a sense, it is the time for love to be in the ascendant.

Brian Swimme: Yes. Just imagine how difficult it was to build galaxies. Just a lot of them were ripped apart and so forth so that we, as a planet, right now are struggling with this. There’s all kinds of strife and so forth, but the long term movement is towards greater compassion, greater harmony. That’s my sense of where we are.

Chip August: It's a beautiful vision. It's a very beautiful vision. So if people wanted to learn more--and this is just a little taste. I mean, you've written like five books and I know you give courses and I know you give lectures and I know you've worked with radical theologian [xx].

Brian Swimme: Radical theologian is good. Also, the culture historian, Thomas [xx].

Chip August: So if people wanted to learn more about you or do work with you or study with you or just wanted to know more about you, how could they find you?

Brian Swimme: Well, just our website and just my name dot-org.

Chip August: Just because you've been living here, and yet but they may not see it,

Brian Swimme: Yes. Then I have DVDs and it would great, anybody who’d want to come and study at the California Institute of Integral Studies. Yes, a lot of things are available - books, DVDs, lectures and so forth.

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We're coming to the end of the show and I always like to ask my guests, “What can people do at home?” What can they take from this and actually do and you said you have some ideas.

Brian Swimme: I have, this is my favorite.

Chip August: Cool.

Brian Swimme: It's a way of experiencing--and we're talking about love and allurement--experiencing that in the body directly. It starts off with a though experiment and that is, just imagine the planet and it's round. We tend to think of ourselves on top of the planet. But, obviously it doesn’t matter where you are on the planet.

So what I'd like you to do is go out some night but get a blanket and lie down under the stars. So you're lying there on your back and you're looking up. It's great to have a child with you because they're freer than we are in our adult consciousness. So there you are, you're looking up and if it's a clear night, you'd see these thousands of stars. The cultural conditioning is that we're looking up.

But what I want you to do with your imagination is just put yourself on the bottom of the planet. So imagine that you're looking down because wherever you are can be the bottom of the planet and in this cultural convention is what's up and what's down. Then as you're looking down; looking down, down, down, I want you to realize that all of those stars you see are drawing you toward them. Then if the earth could be made to disappear, you would just be drawn right down toward them.

You'd fall, you would fall down into the stars and the only reason you weren’t there is because the earth is drawing you to itself. Now, what's important to realize is that we kind of think that we're lying there on the ground, we're thinking that it's a wait but actually you have to realize that wait is a relationship. It's a relationship between you and the earth. If you can make the earth disappear, you have no weight whatsoever. So you can even feel your weight as the way your body is experiencing the earth’s attraction of you.

So simultaneously, this moment comes when you make that switch and you realize, “Wow! I'm looking down at the stars and the only reason I'm here, suspended in space is because the earth is attracted to me.” The moment can come and may not come the first time, but when it comes, it's really an ecstatic experience.

Chip August: That we're being embraced by the planet.

Brian Swimme: By love, by love of the planet and we're being drawn by the love of the stars. Then we all find ourselves inside of this power of love.

Chip August: Right, and then we live in that dynamic of being drawn to the beauty of the stars and being embraced by love of the planet.

Brian Swimme: That’s our home.

Chip August: Wow! That is the very sweet image. Wow!

You have been a wonderful guest, Brian. So I want to thank you for taking the time to make the time for this interview. I really appreciate you.

Brian Swimme: Well, you've been a wonderful interviewer. You made it fun, Chip.

Chip August: Oh, I'm glad!

Brian Swimme: I appreciate it.

Chip August: I'm glad. Listeners, I hope you enjoyed it. Please join me again next time. I've got more fascinating guests in the pipeline but that’s it for now.

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