Episode 92 - Robert Sitler guest – 1 of 7 On the Road of “2012 NOW – Empowering the Transformation”
“For human evolution to continue, the conversation must deepen.” – Margaret Mead
This is the first in a seven-part series of dialogues forming part of and leading up to a Conference Gathering in Fort Collins, Colorado on May 29-30, 2009, entitled “2012 NOW – Empowering the Transformation”, for which I am serving as the Master of Ceremonies and opening presenter. Future Living Dialogues in this series will include other Conference presenters John Major Jenkins, Sobonfu Some, William Henry, Stansilav Grof, Christine Page, and Richard Tarnas.
Details and registration information available at www.unveiling2012.org.
The meaning of the Greek word “Apocalypse” is “lifting the veil” or “revelation”. Here are excerpts from the first “shared stories” on this pilgrimage Road to 2012 NOW.
Robert Sitler: “I’m Robert Sitler and in the conversation that I just shared with Duncan, I really sense the listeners who will be participating potentially in this conference and who will be listening to the dialogues that you’ll be hearing in the coming weeks, and I feel that they have been charged through Duncan’s work with the potential to bring about inner transformation and I look forward to participating in the process with you.”
Duncan Campbell: We really have an auspicious moment here, Robert, because you and I are inaugurating in this dialogue, the first of the series of seven dialogues that will be consciously leading up to an event on May 29 and 30 in Fort Collins, Colorado, a gathering entitled “2012 Now, Empowering the Transformation.” And so as we go forward, we have really consciously understood that these series of seven dialogues between myself, who will also be serving as the opening presenter and Master of Ceremonies, and yourself is the inauguration in a sense of a kind of pilgrimage -- that these seven dialogues are milestones as we are preparing ourselves and our consciousness to gradually focus in on this event at the end of May, which will be not just simply a transmission of information from various sources but an integral initiation and experiential transformation very much in the Initiatic Tradition of the Mayan people themselves and of all cultures throughout history in their embodiment of the Perennial Philosophy, sometimes also called the Primordial Tradition.
This is part of our changing world. And as the world changes so to -- we must change. So there is that immediacy of transformation happening and the growing sense of a planetary culture that is not limited by either time -- in terms of bringing indigenous and modern cultures together and mutual gifting -- and it’s not limited in terms of space. We have a common humanity that we’re feeling. We’re seeing and feeling the possibility of transcending old tribalisms, old conflicts, old religious warfare, and at the same time beautifully fully appreciating our own person, our own family, our own geographical location and that is I think the true “unveiling” (or apocalypse) --
Robert Sitler: Um-hmm.
Duncan Campbell: --- that we are looking forward to amplifying together as we come together at the end of May. And I want to thank you Robert for all of your lifelong work, your thirty years of regular visits to the Maya world, your teaching, your articles and your upcoming manuscript in which you so brilliantly share your experience of grounding the entire fascination of the modern world with 2012 in the depth and wonder and mystery of daily life as experienced by the Maya people over the generations. You are another wonderful bridge person connecting our indigenous and modern minds and I very much look forward to continuing to travel this path, this Road, together as we all move forward in this great evolutionary moment that we’re sharing as a species on the planet.
Robert Sitler: It’s exciting.
Duncan Campbell: Well, Robert, it is very exciting and it’s been just great having this conversation with you.
Robert Sitler: Likewise it’s a pleasure for me, you know, a real treat for me to speak to the listeners of Living Dialogues and I look forward first of all to meeting many of you but also to this conference, which I think has the possibility of producing genuine change in our heart and truly preparing us for a future in which we all feel more integrated with Mother Earth.
Duncan Campbell: Well, at this point, we’re about to take the next step on our journey together. This week we’ve talked with Robert Sitler, one of the presenters at our conference coming up on May 29 and 30, whose deep experience and knowledge of the Mayan culture will be one of the gifts he will be sharing with us. And next week, I’ll be dialoguing with John Major Jenkins, who will share his decades of research into the Mayan culture and how it fits into the larger perennial wisdom, sometimes called the Primordial Tradition.
And we invite you and look forward to seeing you at the conference on May 29 and 30, 2009 in the natural beauty of Fort Collins, Colorado, entitled “2012 NOW - Empowering the Transformation”. For further information and registration you can go to www.unveiling2012.org.
“We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of this Earth…. and we cannot help but believe that the old hatreds shall someday pass; that the lines of tribe shall soon dissolve; as the world grows smaller, our common humanity shall reveal itself....For the world has changed, and we must change with it…why men and women and children of every race and every faith can join in celebration…" -- Barack Obama Inaugural Address, January 20, 2009
And as we say on Living Dialogues:
“Dialogue is the Language of Evolutionary Transformation”™.
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Among other heartful visionary conversations you will find of particular interest on these themes are my Dialogues on this site with Richard Tarnas, John O’Donohue, Michael Meade, Eckhart Tolle, Ted Sorensen, Frances Moore Lappe, Stanislav Grof, Angeles Arrien, Sobonfu Some, Matthew Fox, David Mendell, Deborah Tannen, Gangaji, Michael Dowd, Duane Elgin, and Joseph Ellis, among others [click on their name(s) in green on right hand column of the Living Dialogues Home Page on this site].
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In furtherance of creating and maintaining the planetary dialogues now required in the 21st century, we featured a special series of dialogues with myself and other elders in the weeks leading up to and including the 2008 Olympics hosted by China and the U.S. 2008 elections. Those dialogues can be listened to separately on this site or as gathered as a series on my website www.livingdialogues.com under the collective title “Engaged Elder Wisdom Dialogues”. They address various specific political aspects of our planetary crisis, with its dangers and opportunities for creating and sustaining a visionary and evolutionary shift. (We remember that the Chinese character for “crisis” is often described as meaning both “danger” when visioned from a fear perspective, and “opportunity” when visioned from a wisdom perspective.)
In all my Living Dialogues from their inception I talk in various ways about the call to generate dialogues across generational, ethnic, gender, religious, wealth, and national boundaries -- building bridges of understanding and wisdom in the cooperative spirit and reaching out -- required by our 21st century realities, and the essential roles that we all are called to play in our evolution for it to take place.
This is the time for renewed dialogue, for visionary and inspiring discourse producing practical and innovative ways of living and sharing together, to engage the deep spirit and spirituality of our own elder wisdom and youthful inspiration, and in so doing to experience and exemplify that “Dialogue is the Language of Evolutionary Transformation”™.
And that is what we all do, in our mutual roles as host, deep listeners, and guests, when we gather together here from all parts of the globe in Living Dialogues.
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Roberts Sitler: I’m Roberts Sitler and in the conversations that I just shared with Duncan, I really sense the listeners who will be participating potentially in this conference and who will be listening to the theories and dialogues that you’d be hearing in the coming weeks and I feel that they have been charged through Duncan’s work with the potential to bring about inner transformation and I look forward to participating in the process with you.
Duncan Campbell: Welcome to Living Dialogues. I’m your host, Duncan Campbell, and with me for this particular dialogue I’m truly delighted to have as my guest, Robert Sitler. Robert Sitler is an Associate Professor of Modern Languages and Director of the Latin American Studies Program at Stetson University in DeLand, Florida. He received his doctoral degree from the University of Texas at Austin after completing a dissertation on Maya-related literature under the guidance of the late Dr. Linda Shelly. His travels include over 30 years of regular visits to the Maya world, among a wide variety of Maya ethnic groups. He has a particularly close relationship with the Mam-Maya community of Todos Santos Cuchumatan in Guatemala. He has published a number of articles on Maya and Maya-related literature, his current research focuses on the cultural phenomenon surrounding the 2012 date on the long count Mayan calendar. He is also featured in the Mystery of 2012: Predictions Prophecies and Possibilities published by Sounds True and you can reach him at www.stetson.edu/rsitler. So Robert, what a great pleasure to have you here on Living Dialogues.
Roberts Sitler: It’s a pleasure to be with you.
Duncan Campbell: And we have really an auspicious moment here because you and I are inaugurating in this dialogue, the first of the series of seven dialogues that will be consciously leading up to an event on May 29 and 30 in Fort Collins, Colorado, a gathering entitled “2012 Now, Empowering the Transformation.” And so as we go forward, we have really consciously understood that these series of seven dialogues between myself, who will also be serving as the Opening Presenter and Master of Ceremonies and yourself is the inauguration in a sense of a kind of pilgrimage that these seven dialogues are in a way a milestone as we are preparing ourselves and our consciousness to gradually focus in on this event which will be not just simply at the end of May, a transmission of information from various sources but an integral initiation and experiential transformation very much in the Initiatic Tradition of the Mayan people themselves and from that perspective, you’ve told me prior to this that this particular day on which we’re recording this dialogue has its own auspicious moment within the Mayan calendar. Perhaps let us start there.
Roberts Sitler: Well, that’s very true. This -- we’re talking about the 260-day ritual calendar known by the K'iche' as the Cholq'ij, the counted days. And this is the day for [xx] is often part of it is referenced to a corn, but it’s very strongly connected with abundance and the number four actually has a very strong connotations of stability, it’s a very auspicious day especially for the beginnings, it’s associated with corn and the entire process of cultivating corn, which of course in the Maya world view is the same thing as cultivating a human being because corn and human beings are of the same substance.
Duncan Campbell: And that’s most interesting because again what it does is underscore the indigenous view and experience of our entire species from its beginning where even anthropologist talk about the indigenous world and the experience of humans in our indigenous stage of development as experiencing what they called Mystical Participation, meaning that we experienced ourselves, we humans, homo sapiens in our earliest beginnings as embedded in a fully alive conscious universe so that there was no radical distinction between the human, the animal, the plant or the landscape. So for us to be talking about humans and corn made of the same substance is very interesting because it really reconfirms and reawakens that sense that we all are completely permeated with the divine consciousness, whether we call it creator or spirit or just simply the warm embrace of a conscious intelligence, we’re talking about our being situated in the cosmos and it’s an alive cosmos full of awe and wonder. Sometimes really pushed to the side and forgotten or we might say we’ve become estranged from that in our modern consciousness.
Roberts Sitler: I think that’s very true. I love your introduction. It feels like we could stop right there, it was so articulate and possible. I am most drawn to your desire to make this an experiential event rather than a conceptual one because honestly a lot of the conceptual sort of belief systems around 2012, I don’t think our essential to our experience of our connection with the divine as you described it and so that you’re starting out in such a rewarding direction and I just think that this particular way of shaping the conference is going to be very, very beneficial for your listeners and for the participants in the conference. I know, I’m really looking forward to meeting the presenters myself and experiencing therewith them.
Duncan Campbell: And I think that’s really part of the key is that not only are the presenters going to be getting together in nature the day before and the day of our coming together as a greater gathering but all of us together, every participant in this gathering will be interacting in dialogue in the course of the day and a half that we’re going to spend together and it’s very much framed within the understand you’ve just also confirmed, which is actually the Mayan understanding as well as our indigenous understanding that when we come together in a gathering, we come together with the inherent knowledge that our gathering together is a way of amplifying our own individual access to, we might call it the logos or the wisdom of the universe that we are together, not to just simply share as in a scientific paper conference fragments of mental research and strictly information but we’re together in a real kind of celebration and initiation where together we understand that our energies if focused in a good hearted generous abundant way, on the possibility of transformation can evoke together a revelation and unveiling of a deeper heart reality than any of us can experience alone.
Roberts Sitler: That is so true. I think, you know, honestly in my early experiences in the Maya world that you just described in terms of a conscious sense of shared experience, so it was one of the most striking features that I first became aware of among the Chol Maya that I was -- my wife and I were visiting right at the time, I became clearly aware that there was -- I’m reluctant to use the word communication because we imply words with that but there is a sense of living together in actually sharing the same consciousness between people and the Chol communities that I had never experienced prior to that and was quite a revelation to a young man at the time.
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