Episode 15 - Tracking and Reproducing Results and Providing Value Through Internet Publishing with Dr. Judith Swack

Tracking and Reproducing Results and Providing Value Through Internet Publishing with Dr. Judith Swack

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Jason McClain: Welcome to Coaching the Life Coach. I’m your host, Jason McClain and your guide in the 21th century marketplace. This week on Coaching the Life Coach, we’re joined by Dr. Judith Swack, of ‘Healing From the Body Level Up’ and she has an integral system for healing and transformation. On this show we’ll be talking about not only why it’s important to track and measure to keep your clients coming back; and also to gauge your own success…, your own efficacy. But also, the power of the Internet and articles to promote yourself and to provide value for those out there.

Dr. Judith Swack: The work that I do for Healing from the Body-level Up, goes very quickly and it works at the unconscious level. But it also works at the body-level and the soul-level simultaneously.
I remember having a client once who was bi-polar, and we finally got him on appropriate medication. But he was feeling suicidal and we treated him for the psychological patterns that were causing the depression. And I said, “Okay. Just go home and notice what’s different for you. And notice the subtle differences.” So, he comes back and he says that there’s nothing different.”

Jason McClain: (Laughs)

Dr. Judith Swack: And I said, “Okay. Anything subtly different?” “Well, yeah. There was one little, tiny subtle difference.” I said, “And what’s that?”
“I no longer feel suicidal.” Okay!

Jason McClain: (Laughs)

Dr. Judith Swack: I had a client come in who said, “I’m binge eating and I want you to cure this. And I said, “Well. I haven’t really explored the patterns in the tissue.” And she said, “Well…, I want you to explore it now!”

Jason McClain: (Laughs) That’s great!

Dr. Judith Swack: And I said, “Fine!” And 9 sessions later, she had no trace of binge eating. The irony is that diagnosis shock creates, you know, irrational reactions like avoidance of treatment and not wanting to think about it; repression…, “Oh, I’m not afraid!”

Jason McClain: Welcome to the show, Judith.

Dr. Judith Swack: Thankyou.

Jason McClain: And let me just ask you…, let’s drop right in and ask; what is…, what do you feel has made you successful?

Dr. Judith Swack: Well…, results. I’ve always been oriented towards results and as a PhD scientist, basically, when you get results in the lab, you get grant funding. And when you don’t get results, you don’t get grant funding. So, I’ve always been oriented in getting measurable, tangible results with people. So, when I went into the Mind Body Therapy Business, I decided that I was going to research, of course, on all of the effective methods of treating people with Mind Body issues. And that started with learning about the unconscious mind. And I started with neurolinguistic programming, which you’re very familiar with. And as being the state-of-the-art mental technology of the time.

Jason McClain: Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Judith Swack: You know, think, Biotechnology, High Technology, Mental Technology. So, I took training in Neurolinguistic programming and discovered the unconscious mind runs 90% of your life and unfortunately, you’re unconscious of it.

Jason McClain: (Laughs) That’s right!

Dr. Judith Swack: And I figured that to be control of your life, you would have to be able to understand, connect with and communicate with your unconscious; and then heal it, if there was a problem. So, I just recently wrote a paper called, ‘The Secret to the Secret.’ And what I said is that the secret is right; the law of attraction that says that you attract what you think, is real. So, why don’t I get what I asked for? Well, it’s because you attract what you were consciously thinking and you attract what you were unconsciously thinking. And since you unconscious mind has more power than your conscious mind, if the two aren’t aligned, you attract what’s in your unconscious mind. And that explains my history of disastrous relationships before I found NLP. And then after I found NLP, I cleaned up my unconscious mind and had very good relationships.

Jason McClain: Could you speak to…, in terms of how you had your major results? I mean, it’s pretty clear why that’s important. Can you speak to some of the structures that you have, to produce and measure results that are applicant?

Dr. Judith Swack: Absolutely. First of all, I have them come in with a list of goals. And in NLP, you get very specific about the goals. How do you know that you have it? When do you want it by? How can you measure it? So, let’s say, for example, somebody comes in with a health issue and they want to lose weight. I ask them, “How much do you weigh now?” And then we can measure it, as they lose weight. They measure it on a scale. They come in and they tell me, “I’m losing weight.” You know…, it’s concrete evidence. And let’s say, somebody has a binge eating problem. And they say, “Okay. I just binged on carbohydrates for 3 days, and I had a carbohydrate hangover for a week.” Okay. So, we start working on the patterns that are causing the binge eating. What happens next? The start binging every month, instead of every week. So, the time frame. And now they’re binging for one day instead of three. You know, we can measure that. The next we treat them, we find that now they haven’t binged for two months and when they did, it was just for 3 hours, 1 night. Then, we treated them again for that pattern. Three months later we find out they binged again once for one hour, and they ate one-third of the food they would have previously. And this time it was all low-fat, you know, frozen yogurt; a pint of it, instead of a half or quarter. I actually measure these things.
In terms of money…, people come in. “I want to be successful.” How much money do you want to make, how much money are you making now? We get numbers. And we measure it. So, you know, how much are you making per hour now? We clear the interference to being successful and making money. And then we see that their income rises in dollars that you can measure.
So, say someone has a relationship issue and they want to have a healthy relationship. You can measure that. Right now, are they in a relationship with somebody who’s appropriate for them or not. And if they’re not, then they need to clear the patterns that’s causing them to hold onto somebody who’s not appropriate. We clear that and then they start dating other people. Then we say, “Okay, so how do you like this guy?” “How does he like you?” And, “We like each other very well.” Okay. What’s working in the relationship? What isn’t working? So, we find that of everything is working, except here there’s this issue that’s not working. So, we talk to the deepest wisdom and ask if they need to clear another pattern that will help that relationship to work. Or do we need to clear another pattern so they can attract a different person, who has more of everything that they really want in a relationship. So, again we measure results.

Jason McClain: And then how often do you check in with people about results?

Dr. Judith Swack: Typically it’s every two weeks.

Jason McClain: Every two weeks? Great.

Dr. Judith Swack: Because the works that I do with Healing from the Body-level up, goes very quickly and it’s very deep. It works at the unconscious level. But it also works at the body-level and the soul-level simultaneously. So, when you do healing…, and my techniques that I have on my menu; I have 54 different techniques and I’ve mapped about a 100 different kinds of patterns. So, typically we can clear a pattern in one session. One to three sessions will clear an entire pattern. It clears at all the levels and then your life really shifts. So, it takes a couple of weeks to integrate what we did, and to experience what’s different for you and your life now. So, people come in and the give me a report. I say I look forward to a full report. They say, well, “I reacted differently to my boss at work.”, “I’m eating more vegetables.”, “Suddenly I’m inspired to exercise.”, “I told this boyfriend that he couldn’t treat me that way”. They give me a report. “I set limits with my children, and now they’re treating it more respectfully.” This kind of thing. “I applied for 3 jobs this week.” You know, these are time-sensitive issues.

Jason McClain: One of the things I liked when you were speaking about the binge eating, was the progress that was being made. It’s one of the things that I’ve found…, that clients can air, as in…, they can look at how it’s the same, rather than, seeing how it's different, or seeing how it’s progressed.

Dr. Judith Swack: Yeah.

Jason McClain: So, if orient their minds around actually looking at the difference, then you get a much better experience with the client, but you also have greater movement. Because they’re not always focused on the way it’s the same.

Dr. Judith Swack: Oh, that’s right. I always say, “Tell me what’s different.” And I always tell them to notice the subtle differences. I remember having a client once who was bi-polar. And we finally got him on appropriate medication. But he was feeling suicidal and we treated him for the psychological patterns that were causing the depression. And I said, “Okay. Just go home and notice what’s different for you. And notice the subtle differences.” So, he comes back and he says that there’s nothing different.”

Jason McClain: (Laughs)

Dr. Judith Swack: And I said, “Okay. Anything subtly different?” “Well, yeah. There was one little, tiny subtle difference.” I said, “And what’s that?”

“I no longer feel suicidal.” Okay!

Jason McClain: (Laughs)

Dr. Judith Swack: Good!

Jason McClain: That’s a subtle difference!

Dr. Judith Swack: Subtle difference!

Jason McClain: Oh! My goodness! Is there anything else you would like to say about results, measuring results and the importance of that; and what it makes possible in people’s business and in their lives, if they notice the difference?

Dr. Judith Swack: Well, if they notice the difference, they come in with a much more hopeful and motivated attitude. Let’s talk about motivation. People come in to me, feeling hopeless. I do Mind, Body, Spirit Therapy. It’s not your traditional Talk Therapy. Again, its state-of-the-art. And they come in, not being sure of what to expect. And so I say, “Pay attention to the results.” They come in and they tell me I’m their last resort, they’ve tried everything else they could think of. Nothing’s working for them. I get that sad story a lot. And I say, “Well, okay. Let’s see what we can do here.” And I tell them to go into scientific mind and just be very neutral about observing the results, and give me a full report. So, after a couple of three sessions, I say, “Well, how you feel?” And they say, “We’re more hopeful”. They notice the small differences. They come in looking forward to their sessions. I had somebody the other day. This is so sweet. He said, “If I could, I’d come and see you everyday.”

Jason McClain: (Laughs)

Dr. Judith Swack: And I said, “Well, thank you very much.”

Jason McClain: (Laughs) Thankyou, doctor.

Dr. Judith Swack: (Laughs) That was very nice. But, I get emails. People email me their progress. I have people calling me after 10 years and bringing me up to date. ‘Cause they know how important the data is for me. And not only that, but I work in a network of information, you see. Everything that every client does, is part of helping other people. Because as we do the work…, and I learn from my clients. They know that they’re part of a larger movement. They’re part of a larger healing experience. So, they’re very good about telling me things and giving me data, and sharing ideas. And then I tell a client, “Oh! I just learned this last week from another client. Let me check you for it.” They’re all happy. “Oh, that’s nice.” So, we really get that as a collaborative effort. Healing from the Body-level up is an evolutionary collaborative effort that keeps growing. And the way that I find that we need something else, or that it needs to grow is, I look at what is left and say, “Tell me what’s different, and tell me if there’s anything left.” That’s why I measure it. You see, I never was interested in working with weight-loss or addictive eating. Because for some reason, I don’t know, I didn’t have that problem and it didn’t really interest me. I had a client come in who said, “I’m binge eating and I and I want you to cure this. And I said, “Well. I haven’t really explored the patterns in the tissue.” And she said, “Well…, I want you to explore it now!”

Jason McClain: (Laughs) That’s great!

Dr. Judith Swack: And I said, “Fine!” And 9 sessions later, she had no trace of binge eating. We cleared out all the triggers. Absolutely every trigger. She was fine. And I’ve done that for headaches. I’ve had a client come in with shyness patterns. And I said, “Shyness, huh?” I don’t know if you can tell from my voice, but I’ve never been shy. So, I didn’t think shyness was all that big a problem. She looks at me and tells me, quite earnestly that shyness was just dreadful for her. And how painful it was from the inside and what it’s like. And I said okay, I understand this. I understand that it’s very important. I put shyness patterns on my intake form. I map them. They’re she’s actually very easy to treat and boom! She cleared her shyness patterns. (Laughs)
And so now, we do shyness. Or as they say in the business, “social phobias”. And so that’s how it works.

Jason McClain: And…, and…

Dr. Judith Swack: And when something isn’t working, I say, “What else is there?” And all my new patterns come out of the “What isn’t working? What else is there?” So, either way.

Jason McClain: Perfect. Thank you for that Dr. Swack.

Dr. Judith Swack: I learn something, it grows, we create. We find answers. You know, the information is out there somewhere in the world. Isn’t that interesting?

Jason McClain: It is indeed. We’re going to take a short break to support our sponsors.

Dr. Judith Swack: Okay.

Jason McClain: We’ll be back with Dr. Judith Swack. And we’ve been talking about measuring results and we’ll be right back.

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Jason McClain: Welcome back to Coaching the Life Coach. I’m your host, Jason McClain, and I’m here with Dr. Judith Swack. And doctor, what are you most focused on right now in your practice?

Dr. Judith Swack: Well, my most recent interest; because obviously I develop research projects in different areas. My most recent project is called, ‘Diagnosis Shock’ and I’m very passionate about it. Diagnosis shock is the phobic reaction that people experience the moment that they first suspect or are told that they have a physical or an emotional illness. And I that moment of initial shock, people ask themselves, consciously or unconsciously, “Well, what could this news or symptom…?” (because people can self-diagnose.)…, “What could this possibly mean?”
You know that the unconscious mind is very imaginative, and it instantly creates a worst-case scenario of the loss of function or death, so vivid or extreme or frightening, that it creates spider-fright reaction, so that the person traumatizes and shocks out. But sometimes people shock out so quickly, and it’s so automatic, that they’re not even aware that they’re shocked. But why is that a problem? Because when people shock, they can’t think rationally. They can’t hear what the doctor is saying. They freeze up. And now, they’re asked to make life and death treatment decisions…

Jason McClain: (Laughs)

Dr. Judith Swack: …while they’re in shock. How’s that for good?

Jason McClain: Right.

Dr. Judith Swack: So…, and nobody’s immune from that. Let me give you an example. I had an M.D. who came to me. He said to me in a hushed voice, “I have a high white-cell count.”
I said to him, “What do you mean you have a high white-cell count? Do you mean that you have an infection somewhere in your body? Do you mean that you have leukemia? What do you mean…, a high white-cell count?”
So, he says, “I have leukemia.” I said, “Okay. Well…, when did you find out?”
“Oh, about a year ago.”
“Okay, well…, what treatment have you had for it?”
“Nothing.”
“Really?”
“Yes. Nothing.”
“Did you research treatment options?”
“Yes, I did. But I’m afraid that the doctors are being too aggressive. They’re suggesting treatments that will make me sick.”
Of course, he’s not thinking that the cancer will make him sick and kill him.

Jason McClain: (Laughs)

Dr. Judith Swack: He’s just…, you see the irrational focus there. The medical doctors…, the evil doctors are trying to make me sick.”

Jason McClain: Right.

Dr. Judith Swack: So, I said, “Well, have you had a blood test recently?”
“Yes”
“Well, what’s your blood count now?”
“Well, it was like a 100 times over what is should be.”
“Oh my gosh! I want you to a test done and see if it has invaded the bone marrow.”
He said, “Yeah, I got it tested two weeks ago and it’s invaded my bone marrow.”
So, basically he put off any treatment for…, this is an M.D.

Jason McClain: Right.

Dr. Judith Swack: Nobody is immune to diagnosis shock. Anyway, we treated him for diagnosis shock in that first session, and the following week he started a chemotherapy treatment, that required six rounds of chemotherapy at one month intervals. Well, after his first round of chemotherapy, he became a normal blood count. His blood count went to normal. So, don’t you know, he discontinued treatment. “I’m cured.”

Jason McClain: (Laughs) Oh my goodness! And how did you address that?

Dr. Judith Swack: I said, “I think you had diagnosis shock about hearing about the side effects of the treatment.” Right? So, we treated him for diagnosis shock about, “Oh my God! The treatments’ going to kill me!” And he went back and finished the treatments regimen. And then I didn’t work with him for a while. And so a year, I contacted him and I said, “So, how are you?”
He said, “Fine.”
I said, “Have you measured that?” And he’d had a blood test and a bone marrow test one year later, and he was clear of the leukemia.

Jason McClain: Fantastic!

Dr. Judith Swack: So again I…, I do the long term follow up.

Jason McClain: So, in terms of dealing with the diagnosis shock, it sounds as though when you remove the shock or you treat the shock, it allows people to take the actions that are necessary, to avoid the very thing that they’re scared of.

Dr. Judith Swack: Yes. The irony is that Diagnosis shock creates, you know, irrational reactions like avoidance of treatment, and not wanting to think about it… repression, “Oh, I’m not afraid!”, “It doesn’t bother me. No big deal. I’m not sick.” You know what he said? He said, “I have leukemia, but I’m not sick. I feel fine. It’s the treatments that will make me sick.”

Jason McClain: Gotcha. We’re going to take another break to support our sponsors. And then we’ll talk to Judith Swack. We’ve been discussing Diagnosis shock and we’ll be right back.

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Jason McClain: Welcome back to Coaching the Life Coach. I’m Jason McClain and we’re here to talk to Judith Swack. And Judith, what specific marketing tools do you use for your clinic? Do you call it a clinic actually?

Dr. Judith Swack: Well, I call it a…, what do I call it? I call it a business.

Jason McClain: Great. Good, good. And one of the things that I want to do with the show is move from calling it a practice to thinking of it as a business?

Dr. Judith Swack: Yes. It is a business.

Jason McClain: Well, what marketing tools do you use?

Dr. Judith Swack: Well, first of all I think of it as a business. And I think of a business as an organization that provides a product that people need. So, we’re in the business of providing Mind Body Therapy. And healing for people. And…, so I feel that it’s our duty to reach out and educate people to the services that are available to them so that they don’t have to suffer. So, I really feel that we’re doing outreach. So, I believe that the first step in healing is education. So, I do a lot of writing. I have a bi-monthly column in the Boston Women’s Journal, where I write about different aspects of healing. I have a full website that has archived these articles and have a lot of my longer papers that I have published in journals. The Diagnosis Shock paper has been accepted and pending revision. So, we’re waiting on that. From a medical journal…, the Journal of Integrative Medicine – a clinician’s journal. And I really oriented the journal to clinicians to be able to recognize and treat Diagnosis Shock. I also gave recommendations about Hypnotic Languaging Patterns…

Jason McClain: …yes…

Dr. Judith Swack:…, so that they don’t shock people with their languaging.

Jason McClain: Correct.

Dr. Judith Swack: And of course, the doctors are not trained in NLP. But I think everybody in the universe should be.

Jason McClain: (Laughs)

Dr. Judith Swack: (Laughs) So that we can communicate with each other and know what the message is that we’re conveying. So, I publish a lot of writing and I write probably an hour everyday. First thing in the morning, I send my daughter off for school, and I write for an hour. And I just love the effects because people tell me things like, “I loved that article.” One woman told me that she has cut out all the articles that I’ve written for the Boston Woman’s Journal, and have put them in a file.

Jason McClain: And in terms of marketing, can in speak in terms of to, why it’s important to write and to clarify your ideas.

Dr. Judith Swack: Well, first of all…, remember the conscious mind and the unconscious mind problem? Of how the conscious mind isn’t aware of what’s going on in the unconscious mind? So, people may or may not even notice that they have a problem. And in order for them to start being able to heal, and in order to alleviate suffering, they first have to recognize that they have a problem; even if they don’t know what to do about it. But sometimes when you recognize that you have a problem, but you don’t know what to do about it, you repress it or bury it. Because, what the heck! You don’t know what to do about it. So, my message basically is…, notice that you have a problem and guess what? Here’s what you can start doing about it. And if you need real help, call us and we’ll get you into session and we’ll clean you up.

Jason McClain: And sometimes they can actually speak to you, and explain to you about things they’re not even aware of. And you almost language the structure of their experience. And they go, “Oh, yeah. I’m experiencing that.”

Dr. Judith Swack: Yes. I do.

Jason McClain: Great.

Dr. Judith Swack: I wrote a paper on trauma – the basic structure of loss and violence trauma, which I published in Anchor Point many years ago, an NLP journal. It’s up on my website. And the purpose of that paper was to let people know that they weren’t crazy, when they were having phobic reactions around trauma.

Jason McClain: Right.

Dr. Judith Swack: Because phobic reactions are very irrational. And people having these reactions don’t understand why they’re having these reactions. And then they might think that they’re crazy, and then try to hide that they’re traumatized and not treat it, so on and so forth. So, basically I wanted people to know…, this is what’s going on. This is a pattern. This is what happens routinely to people. When they have a loss trauma, they feel angry, they feel frightened, they feel sad. They feel that it’s they’re fault. They feel that they’re bad or worthless. They feel powerless. They feel empty. Guess what! That’s a loss trauma. That’s what it means. It doesn’t mean anything else other than that.

Jason McClain: Right, right. Good. And can you tell us what is possible in your business if you continue to write articles consistently and frequently?

Dr. Judith Swack: Well, I’m always looking for inspiration. My clients talk to me about their issues. And I end up talking about things that make perfect sense to me, that I assumed were obvious to everybody. And yet, they’re not obvious to my clients. So, typically, when somebody comes in with an issue that’s obvious to me what’s going on, and it’s not obvious to them; I get this feeling in my body that’s, “Oh! People need to know about this!” And then I feel inspired or fired up. And then I write myself a note about the subject. And then I walk around for about for about a month, maybe 2 weeks, and in the back of my mind I think, “What do I want to say about this? What do people want to know about this? How do I title the article?” So, I walk around, sort of, mulling it over. And then I sit down in front of the computer and write it in just one sitting. Bang! It comes right out. You know, that’s for my 900 word short articles.

Jason McClain: Sure, sure.

Dr. Judith Swack: …which by the way…, I also, syndicate on the web. The people who did my website creation, also have a service where they syndicate my short articles and put the out for publication and other places on the web.

Jason McClain: Good. Excellent.

Dr. Judith Swack: We also did some videos. And I’ve been on television and radio. And we have those presentations available, as well as audio and video tape products of my longer seminars. So, basically I just really want people to know what’s going on beyond just the conscious level, so that they can alleviate their suffering. You know. It just seems like such a waste to me.

Jason McClain: Oh…, I like to say that the pain we have to deal with. The suffering…, that’s completely optional. (Laughs)

Dr. Judith Swack: Exactly, exactly.

Jason McClain: Well, thank you for that doctor. And before I ask you one final question; where you are geographically, where people can reach you, what types of services you provide…, all those questions. Where are you geographically?

Dr. Judith Swack: We’re in Newton, Massachusetts, which is about 15 miles west of Boston. So, we’re in the greater Boston area. And we work with people in person. We have an office with myself and two other associates who see clients. And we do hour-an-a-half sessions with people every two weeks, and move people right along. We also work with people by phone. Because we can teach people how to self-muscle test, we can read the patterns to them over the phone. And all of the techniques that I use…, my vast menu of techniques can be done by the client himself. It doesn’t require machinery, or tools, or…, it doesn’t require stuff; essential oils…, it doesn’t require crystals. It’s just something you can do yourself with your own hands and your own mind. So, it’s a very democratic way of working, because people can treat themselves wherever they are, at any moment in time. And I teach them simple techniques for clearing phobias and clearing limiting beliefs. I teach them techniques when they come in, so that they can handle a lot of the daily stuff…

Jason McClain: Yes.

Dr. Judith Swack: And basically, we do the big pattern. In the office…, we give them homework. And people really like homework. In fact, if I forget to give them homework, at the end of the session they go, “Well, do I have homework?” (LAUGHS) I love that.

Jason McClain: It really helps them integrate the work you’re doing in them deeper.

Dr. Judith Swack: Yeah. And they’re motivated.

Jason McClain: So, how can people reach you? What’s your website address?

Dr. Judith Swack: The website address is hblu.org. That’s ‘Healing from the Body-Level Up’. They can also reach my website through [email protected]. And my phone numbers are on there. We have an 0800 number. So, basically, I work with people from all over the world, actually. Isn’t that interesting?

Jason McClain: It is very interesting. And so, before we say goodbye, I’d like to ask you one final question. And that question is that if you had one organizing principle…, one critical distinction you’d like to leave people with, in terms of shifting their thinking and shifting their lives today.

Dr. Judith Swack: Well, I want people to think of themselves as a ‘We’. I want them to think of themselves as a conscious mind, an unconscious mind, a body and a soul, working together as a symbiotic unit. There is a lot of, what I call, ‘Conscious Mind Chauvinism’ in this country; where people think that their rational, conscious mind is their only reality. And that feelings have no meaning or value. And when they get into trouble and keep making the same mistakes over and over again, they try to solve it mentally. And guess what! They’re certain things that you can’t solve mentally. You can’t solve emotional problems mentally. So, I want people to understand that they have beliefs, and feelings, and patterns that have a lot of energy, a lot of emotion, a lot of power over their behavior. And it isn’t just mentally that you can fix that or solve the problem. So, think of yourselves as a ‘We’. And then it makes more sense to say, “Well, consciously I don’t believe in that. But unconsciously I’m afraid of blah, blah.” Good! Now you’re talking! Now you’re acknowledging, you know, the whole truth of what’s going on in there.
And the other most important thing is to realize that your deepest wisdom is your soul; and that it resides within your body and your deepest wisdom knows what’s right for you.
And I teach people how to access their deepest wisdom, so that it guides all their healing. And it guides what they should be doing in their life and when they follow the deepest wisdom, it leads them where they want to go. If they get trapped in their damage patterns and behave or make decisions through damage, for example, decisions like Diagnosis Shock – “Oh! I’m going to decide to avoid treatment!”…, that didn’t come from your deepest wisdom. You understand that?

Jason McClain: (LAUGHS) Clearly, clearly.

Dr. Judith Swack: (LAUGHS) A really to understand that you are not your damage patterns. And that your damage patterns can run at different levels. But who you are…, the essence of you is your soul, combining with all the rest of you to make a whole unit. A holistic being; and to really respect the ‘holisticness’ – to coin a phrase, of you. Does that make sense?

Jason McClain: Perfect. Perfect, doctor. And on that note, that’s all the time we have. Thank you for your time. And you’ve been listening to Coaching the Life Coach, tips to grow your transformational practice with Dr. Judith Swack. I’m Jason McClain, your host and your guide in the 21st century marketplace.

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