Episode 48: Becoming a Masterful Orgasmic Provider Part 2 with Richard Anton Diaz

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Hear Dr. Patti chat with Richard "Anton" Diaz, the founder of Sexy Spirits and Club Tantra. based in New York City. He is the creator of Taontric Massage, a teacher in Expanded Orgasm Technique, a Taoist Instructor and student under Master Mantak Chia, and currently developing a 4 level training program entitled, Becoming Orgasmic Providers for Women.

I think our listeners will love this show because Anton will show us all how he has developed a very successful program for men to become orgasmic providers for women. He teaches the psychological skills as well as physical and mental touches that send women into bliss once they’ve agreed to have a sensual or sexual date.

Hear him explain further details of this amazing program. Listen in as he and Dr. Patti role play a live date situation in which the woman freezes up, and how Anton expertly uses Power Dialogues to get her to see the real issues behind her actions. Listen as he shares other examples of the power and juiciness of his program, and even a story from his personal life.

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Announcer: This program is intended for mature audiences only.

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Dr. Patti Taylor: Welcome to the Expanded Lovemaking show.  I’m your host Dr. Patti Taylor of expanded lovemaking dot com and I teach you how to give and receive way more pleasure than you ever dreamed possible.  This is part two of a two part show, so welcome.

Anton Diaz: My class starts off, I’m at [xx] with a poem by William Blake that said,
He who binds himself a joy does the winged life destroy; but he who kisses the joy as it flies by lives in eternity's sun rise. 

I’m able to listen and they’re able to even explain to themselves for the first time because nobody ever has asked these questions the motivations behind what they’re doing, why they’re doing.  So they get to really get in touch with their intentions and it becomes a very clear path from that they have from that point forward.  I just wanted you to notice that my questions were never judgmental nor did they ever have a particular direction that I was trying to take it into.  Nor did they ever have an agenda attached to it.  I had put an ad up an asked everybody to respond and the ad said, “Man seeking woman, would love to provide you with a sensual, loving touch purely as a giver, no sex involved.  No reciprocation required.  I’m just feeling in a giving spirit and would love to welcome your receiving spirit.”  Something to that degree.

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Dr. Patti Taylor: Today on the show we are talking once again about becoming a masterful orgasmic provider.  Why do women seem to resist having pleasure once they said yes?  A masterful orgasmic provider would not only know what to do, he or she would expect this and know how to get into present and communion with their partner.  Often a great day will follow.  So showing us exactly how to do this, maybe not exactly, but giving us some inspiration at least and some ideas is our show’s guest Anton.  So I’d like to welcome you Anton.

Anton Diaz: Thank you for having me Patti it’s an honor to be here.

Dr. Patti Taylor: It’s so wonderful to have you.  Well let me tell you a little bit about Anton.  He’s the founder of Sexy Spirits and Club Tantra based in New York City.  And world champion dancer, he became a student and teacher of the powerful dance between the sexes.  He’s the creator of Tantric massage, a teacher in the expanded orgasm technique, a Taoist instructor and a student under Master Mantak Chia.  He’s currently developing a four level training program entitled “Becoming Orgasmic Providers for Women” and he’s doing that at Sexy Spirits in New York City. 

So we’ve been talking about that in part one.  If you haven’t heard that, I highly recommend you listen to part one to find out more.  We’re hopping right in here with part two and continuing along with this.  In any case I think our listeners will love this show because Anton is going to tell us about his program and along the way we’ll learn the psychological, physical, mental skills that send women into bliss once they’ve say yes.  So for just those people hopping on at this point, just again what is an Orgasmic Provider? 

Anton Diaz: Well an Orgasmic Provider, is basically a man in this case, who has been trained in being able to provide a safe environment where he can provide, as a giver, a woman pure orgasmic pleasure with touch alone. 

Dr. Patti Taylor: OK so when you say with touch alone what you’re saying this is not an intercourse situation.  You’re talking about manual genital stimulation or a massage.

Anton Diaz: Exactly.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Right and as we said from the last time, this is a no strings attached thing.  You’re going to have a good time, this one time. If you never see each other again it’s understood that each time is its own particular unit and like gift let’s just say.

Anton Diaz: Well said Patti.  Well said.  My class starts off, I’m at note with a poem by William Blake that said, He who binds himself a joy does the winged life destroy; but he who kisses joy as it flies by lives in eternity's sun rise. 

Dr. Patti Taylor: Yes, I think that’s so beautiful.  I think part of being a good provider must lie in not being attached to the outcome.  You know we talked about men kind of wanting to just have sex with everyone and women wanting an emotional commitment so but even men might have to deal with having a lot of attachments that they might hope that this turns into something.  I guess from a man’s point of view they might have a lot of performance anxiety. 

 

Anton Diaz: In terms of touching Patti?

Dr. Patti Taylor: Yes.

Anton Diaz: I would say yes.  I mean it takes, as you know, it takes incredible training to be able to provide a sensual, an a sensual experience through touch alone.  So it takes a lot of understanding and training but more training in what’s behind it.  The thoughts and attitudes that’s behind, primarily through the giver but also with the receiver but a lot through the giver.  The giver has to have clarity.  You said before that you would imagine that men want to have as many women as possible and that women just want a love and committed relationship.  Well in this work we actually get both of those two things being satisfied.

Dr. Patti Taylor: It’s almost… you know I have the greatest respect for this.  Because I think it’s almost like a Zen practice of total non attachment and the woman too has to let go of, I’m going to fall in love and this is going to be my knight in shining armor and carry me off and I think what I’ve noticed for a lot of women when they do have a strong, powerful, sensual experience with a man is, it does bring up a lot of emotions for them right away.  Especially if they’re not in a relationship, they’re looking for one and if they find someone that hey click with and in their mind they feel like well I can’t have him.  Even, maybe before the date starts, or after the date starts there’s a loss that happens and so to be able to get present and not have that loss.  Do you deal with that at all or what would you do?  I mean, I think this is such an amazing thing that you’re teaching and I’m wondering how or you’re in the bedroom now, you’re really turned on to each other and this issue comes up, how would you, how could we deal with it?

Anton Diaz: Well this issue would come up way before we would get into the bedroom or into the nest we would create.  You know we would first discuss what I call a [xx] dialogue method.  Where I would simply ask them questions about the motivations and reasons in particular that they had for wanting to be with me here at this moment in time and do this, do this session.  So we discuss it and I get, I’m able to listen and they’re able to even explain to themselves for the first time, because nobody has ever asked these questions.  The motivations behind what they’re doing, why they’re doing.  So they get to really get in touch with their intention and it becomes a very clear path that they have from that point forward. 

I have found when I haven’t done that, my sessions have gone flat or that something has gone wrong, it’s just not no one’s having fun and we’ve, when we did end it and we did kind of bring it closure and ground it I had the wonderful opportunity to talk with them afterwards again and find out what was going on.  And to my surprise I found there were so many things going on in their mind that I hadn’t a clue about and when I began to see one or two of those experiences happen I realized that this is something that I wanted to do from the very beginning before a session ever started.

 Dr. Patti Taylor: So you do this way before you go, reach the bedroom right?

Anton Diaz: Absolutely.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Absolutely, so how about sensual communication then?  Does the [xx] method work there in terms of what a woman wants or by that time are you relying on mostly feeling her and is it more non verbal?

Anton Diaz: Well you know at that point we’re not longer digging into beliefs.  When we start to get involved with touching I invite the woman to give me as much feedback or as much communication about what might come up for her.  But it’s all at that point geared toward what my touch is doing at the point.  So it’s very centered at that point, where maybe it might be too soft or too hard or not that area or maybe a little bit faster maybe a little bit slower.  So it’s much more specific at this point.  But we have now a clarity of where we’re both going.  We’re basically trying to open up into a space where we have a greater awareness and a greater consciousness of life, if you will and we’re doing through our sexual orgasmic energy.  We’re using the energy of our orgasm to open up our mind and experience places that we’ve never had that opportunity to experience.

Dr. Patti Taylor: OK so we’re going to take a short break and then I’m going to come back and I’m going to do a little role playing with you.  So please stay, we’re going to be in the bedroom OK. So please stay with us I think this will be a lot of fun, I’ve always wanted to be in the bedroom with Anton anyway.  Now here’s my chance.

Anton Diaz: [laughs] The feeling is mutual Patti.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Oh this is Dr. Patti Taylor and I’m with Anton.  You can find out more about Anton by going to sexy spirits dot com.

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Dr. Patti Taylor: We’re back and we are talking about becoming an Orgasmic Provider which is actually a course that Anton is putting together at his wonderful center in New York City.  We were talking about communication as once the date is getting underway. So Anton let’s say you and I are getting ready to have a date and suddenly I kind of freeze up and I don’t even know why, OK?

Anton Diaz: Pitiful.

Dr. Patti Taylor: OK so all the sudden, I just… there I am.  I’m a dead fish.
 
Anton Diaz: So we’re having, just so I’m clear.

 

Dr. Patti Taylor: I shouldn’t have used those words.  Let’s just say I’m a little on the tense side and I get a little cold.

Anton Diaz: Not sure what to expect.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Right.

Anton Diaz: Oh OK, so how about if I open up the conversation?

Dr. Patti Taylor: All right because I’m a little scared, I’m nervous and then I clamed up.

Anton Diaz: Sure. So Patti, I’m thrilled that you’re here, I would just love to hear what was it that kind of motivated you to be here based on what you read about that ad?

 

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well Anton like I said I really want to have pleasure and I don’t know what’s going on right now.  I’m surprised myself.

Anton Diaz: Why do you feel that you don’t know what’s going on right now?  What do you mean by that?

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well because I got I put on makeup and I got all dressed up and I was feeling turned on and you know it’s just in the last five minutes all the sudden my thoughts kind of took over and I thought to myself, how could I be doing this?  It’s just so different, it’s not like me, you know?

Anton Diaz: What about it is not like you?

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well that’s a good question. Well I’ve just never done anything like this before.  I mean you know I’m a good girl. [laughs]

Anton Diaz: [laughs] Why did you just laugh when you said you were a good girl?

Dr. Patti Taylor: I don’t know.  I guess you’re not supposed to say that.

Anton Diaz: [laughs]

Dr. Patti Taylor: Because I’ve never done this before.  Well because I’m used to having sex in the context of having a relationship.  And I know why, I know why.  Because the idea of having sex for pleasure is very, it excites me and somehow that doesn’t mix, the way I was you know what I’m saying, the way I was taught. 

Anton Diaz: Sure.  So can you give me an example of say one thing you were taught that doesn’t mix for you right now?

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well you know wait until you’re married.  You know for example even though nobody believes it anymore it likes I saw a lot of movies like that growing up.  OK so that’s a pretty good example of how you use these [xx] dialogues.

Anton Diaz: So a few things Patti, I just wanted you to notice that my questions were never judgmental nor did they ever have a particular direction that I was trying to take it into.  Nor did they ever have an agenda attached to it and that’s an important thing to understand.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Yes, is it OK for us to talk about the book Power Dialogues?

Anton Diaz: Sure.

Dr. Patti Taylor: I mean just to credit that?

Anton Diaz: We can.  Actually when I investigated more about the power dialogues there’s a person even before that that created the Option Method and I think his website is optionmethod.net but that’s where Barry Kaufmann I believe, was introduced to the Power Dialogues because I always like people to have references and sources.  So I was introduced to Power Dialogues through an institute called the Option Institute where my girlfriend is currently getting certified to be a facilitator for Autistic children and their particular method.  And one of the reasons why Option Method created Power Dialogues is because parents needed to really get in touch with the beliefs they had about their child being Autistic in order to create a loving, accepting atmosphere for that child that would invite the child, if anything to change or not change.  For there not be any type of problem.

So what I found is that this dialogue, this method of dialogue really worked in every aspect of life.  That we are all governed by beliefs, we all act on beliefs, we all feel through beliefs that we have and it’s so important.  For instance, as you talk to me you’re learning the beliefs that I have and in doing so you can kind of understand my information a lot better.  Whether these beliefs are true for you or not almost doesn’t matter.  But the fact that you might understand my beliefs will give you some clarity as to the information that I might exchange with you.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well thanks for referencing.  You can get the book Power Dialogues and I’ve actually talked to people that have done Power Dialoging and for me it turns me on.  You know it actually gets me sexually aroused and I notice even in my dialogue with you, I started out very frozen and clammed up and just the way that you were talking to me, you know it was almost like starting out you were the enemy.  I mean I didn’t know why it’s like my mind sort of froze and you know its like it shut down and when it shuts down it’s not thinking very clearly about anything, it’s like everything is the enemy.  But by you’re asking very open ended questions about why, it was like you became my friend and my support and very quickly I realized you were not the issue it was you know other things and suddenly, even though it was a role play, my heart opened up and I was laughing and I was remembering oh you know it was things I learned as a kid.

Anton Diaz: Wow.  That’s beautiful.  You know you remind me of a session where somebody came for the first time and we dialoged for about two hours and she went through so many emotions and I had the nest all set and everything.  And after two hours the meeting was over.

Dr. Patti Taylor: [laughs]

Anton Diaz: It didn’t go any further and she had come really for what she had wanted.  It just was such a pleasure to see how this work really provided, really in my opinion, just like you said orgasmic pleasure purely through communication.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well you teach the course in four levels, so its mind, body, spirit and heart.  I don’t know which order they come in but I know you include all four and I think a true orgasmic experience can come from any one of those four dimensions and it can be blocked by any one of those four dimensions too.

Anton Diaz: Absolutely.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So I think that if it is blocked, you know you need to know how to unblock it.

Anton Diaz: Yes, yes and the beauty is Patti, is that I’m no expert at all in unblocking traumas and unblocking people’s issues that they’ve had in life or experiences that have in some way blocked them or traumatized them but Power Dialogue simply allow a person to see themselves and they can investigate those beliefs that are holding them in place from that past experience and decide whether they’d like to continue to be traumatized by it or decide it’s not having any use for them to be traumatized for it at this time and it’s all their choice.  Either of those two choices from my viewpoint are totally right.

Dr. Patti Taylor: You know that’s so honoring and respectful and I’m guessing if you’re going to be having a date for a woman and just talking to her in those terms in general, she’s going to feel that energy and that’s probably why you’re getting so many successes, I have to say.

Anton Diaz: [laughs] I think so.

Dr. Patti Taylor: You know she’s feeling that energy.  I’m a woman, I know these things.

Anton Diaz: That’s wonderful.  Well it’s wonderful to hear that from you Patti, I welcome that as an endorsement.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well yes and you modeled because you’re teaching that you know.

Anton Diaz: Yes, thank you Patti.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Yes, so we’re going to take another quick break, so please stay with us.  This is Dr. Patti and we’re talking with Anton and you can find out more about sexy spirits and becoming an orgasmic provider and everything cool and wonderful at sexyspirits.com so please stay with us, we’ll be right back.

We’re back and we’re talking to Anton.  I just want to say, we’re doing a survey to find out where our listeners are and this is going to help us get the best sponsors on the planet so that will help us get the best programming ever.  So if you would be so kind as to click on our home page, or our episode page or this episode page so you can find out more about Anton and take our survey so we know who you are.  I’d love to know who you are so you know who I am so I think fair is fair, please take our survey, we would just love that.

So anyway Anton, I was wondering if you had some really fun, wonderful examples from your course or courses of some of the things that have happened.

Anton Diaz: Well I could give you one example just two days ago when I had my level one. 

Dr. Patti Taylor: OK.

Anton Diaz: We had this wonderful couple inside the course, and I always start my courses with kind of dialoging everyone and as I said I had put an ad up and asked everybody to respond.  And the ad said, man seeking woman, would love to provide you with a sensual, loving touch purely as a giver, no sex involved.  No reciprocation required.  I’m just feeling in a giving spirit and would love to welcome your receiving spirit.  Something to that degree.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow, I want to see these all over the country, go on, so what happened?

Anton Diaz: I do too, that’s my goal.  So I talked to this man who is a husband and you could see there was a lot of pain going on and insecurity and I talked to the woman and found there was a lot of anger in her.  And they were saying how you know we haven’t had great intimacy and this is the last straw and if this doesn’t work blah, blah, blah.  And I started to dialogue her on that and it would have been so easy for a facilitator or an instructor to kind of bring up the issue between the two of them and found answers for the two of them or find some kind of hope for them or advice.  But thank God I know my Power Dialogues and I started to dialogue her on why she felt the way she did.  And we began to go deeper and as she uncovered her beliefs she began to realize that as a little girl she was always never, she never got to express what she wanted and let kind of guys do whatever they wanted and held all this anger all this time.  And I never was looking for that, she was just finally saying it.  She started to really get so emotional and she released this just this beautiful sigh that she finally saw where you know all this time she was blaming her husband.  It was so easy to blame her husband because he was just being the same kind of guy that all the other guys had been, but that didn’t matter it was just him he was blaming because he happened to be there.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Right, well that story gets played out across the country thousands of times a day.

Anton Diaz: Absolutely.  And it was just so beautiful to see this simple dialoging process, without any training on my part to be a counselor or a psychologist, now beautiful and pure this system was to allow this lady to uncover her own beliefs and to make her own conclusions about it.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Right.

Anton Diaz: I just thought for me wow.  That was such a beautiful, beautiful gift for both myself and for that couple.

Dr. Patti Taylor: And what kind of an orgasm or just sensual session do you think they had as a result or do you know?

Anton Diaz: Well I think for the first time, I think they went home with a sense of compassion for one another.  That they were both hurting and both suffering and in a funny way their hurting and suffering really had nothing to do with one another.  And that they had a choice now instead of blaming one another they had a choice now to be compassionate for the other because their issues were entirely different.  So its so amazing how their issues would seem so intertwined, he’s feeling insecure and having beliefs that he you know is too old to learn this and she’s feeling that she’s not getting pleasured enough and you know he just keeps disappointing me.  It would have been so easy for the average outsider to view that as an intertwined situation and for them to really see that it was all his issue that that was all about him and all her issue was all about her, they had nothing to do with one another was really a beautiful gift.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So could you just recap for us what a couple could do in you know, let’s say they’re in the bedroom and the energy is just feeling stale.  What should they do?  Should they say, well let’s take a break and go into the living room or should they just stop right there, what do you do, you know when that happens?

Anton Diaz: Well if they’ve learned how to do a due day and provide pleasure for one another then what they learn is to joyfully accept whatever comes up.  And if what comes up is to stop the session that it’s not going in any fun kind of way and that it’s OK.  They learn to be able to break the session and do something different without in any way finding fault with it, without any way blaming anybody for it and I think that’s a powerful, just a powerful statement on its own.  I personally do two due dates, two due dates a day with my girlfriend that I’ve been with for three years and sometimes our due dates go ecstatically well and sometimes they go flat as a tire. 

Dr. Patti Taylor: I think that’s so beautiful to share that you know?

Anton Diaz: And when either one happens we end the session and just move on our day with such joy that we can share the good times as well as the bad times without in any way blaming the other or feeling bad about it.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Do you ever like stop in the middle of a date and have a dialogue about it?  Like what’s going on and resume it afterwards?

Anton Diaz: Oh yes.  Rita is also trained in dialogue so we will absolutely.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Because I would think that would be a turn on you know?

Anton Diaz: Oh it’s a biggie.

Dr. Patti Taylor: You know if you’re good at it doesn’t just dissolve into like unfocused processing which I think might be a turn off.

Anton Diaz: No she will always say, please can you dialogue me on that?  And I will dialogue.  Or she might say can I dialogue you on that and I might say, no I think I got it or I might say yes, dialogue me on that, I need to get dialoged on that.  So yes that’s what we do.  We dialogue each other because we realize that our issues are so independent from one another.

Dr. Patti Taylor: And I love that you ask that permission to dialogue before you just start doing it, to get to safety.

Anton Diaz: Yes, absolutely that’s very important.  I never want to dialogue somebody without asking their permission to explore their beliefs because it would be an intrusion on whether they want to do that or not.

Dr. Patti Taylor: That’s really beautiful.  Well how about another juicy example from one of your courses, maybe from one of your advanced courses.

Anton Diaz: Let’s see well one beautiful advance course and it surprises me how many women who come to learn this either with their boyfriend or husband get so turned on in how their husband has done them that they now want to do other women.  Not just men, other women.  And I had one juicy experience where this one really cool married couple came in and he really learned how to touch her well and she loved it so much that she raised her hand and said, is it OK if I do a woman?  Because this feels so good, I would love to do that to a woman because I see all that beautiful power and training.  And she actually was amazing.  She got into positions and [xx] positions and did this beautiful woman and we were just in awe in how natural she was.  Of course being a woman she had a lot more knowledge and information with a woman’s body, how to navigate but it was beautiful to watch.

Dr. Patti Taylor: That’s really a hot story.  Well why do you think this program is taking off like gang busters?  Got any theories?

Anton Diaz: I think because the sexual revolution that has happened in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s and 90’s and was cut short with the advent of AIDS that we became a paralyzed society and only now are we beginning to come back into it, but there’s been kind of a cut off.  I think we are trying to redefine ourselves sexually and where we need to go and I think due dates and providing orgasmic pleasures through touch offers us not only a safety in how we can touch one another but it really does give us a training in our emotional and intimate intelligence.  How to actually be emotional and intimate with somebody on a truly deep level and you know the thing I wanted to say was is that men love to have as many women as possible.  Well just think through this they can have it and women they just want to be truly feel connected, loved and committed in some type of relationship with who they’re being sensual with and in this method they can have it.  Whether it’s for five hours, five days or all of their lives once a week if they want.  It’s a beautiful training on how you can go deep into your intimate and emotional experience without having to pay the ignorant road of relationship that most of us have.  That we take five steps up and four steps back and end up with one little step that we gain on that relationship.  Just think if you could be with a person every time, go three steps up and go away from that with three full steps in your intelligence to take onto the next person until you found that special person that you were ready to do that for the rest of your life with.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Sounds great or even after you’ve found that special person for some people.

Anton Diaz: Absolutely.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well we’re almost out of time, do you have one last parting thought you would like to say to inspire our listeners?

Anton Diaz: Well I have to say that I think we’re embarking on a new era of sensuality and sexuality with this work and it started way back to my understanding in the 60’s with people like De Moore University and all the Tantric people that started to do sensual touch with sacred sense massage.  I haven’t found anything historically that goes back where India and China in the Tantric or [xx] practices did that.  So I feel in good part that America is really responsible for this seed that was placed back there and I really believe if this work could be brought into the school system and the educational system, I know this is a fantasy, but just think if children or teens learn how to interact just like the way we used to when used to make out and pet each other.  Just think if we were given full permission to do that but in such a trained way there would be no unwanted pregnancies, there would be very little need for intercourse if you were getting so much pleasure this other way.  There would be at least a lot of things being gratified in the mind of a teen that they would be able to see it with a lot more sense than the message we’re giving now for pure abstinence, don’t touch, don’t even do anything.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow well that’s definitely a powerful message.  Thank you so much for coming onto our show, as always you are amazing and I’d love…

Anton Diaz: Thank you so much for having me Patti.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well I hope to have you on again soon.

Anton Diaz: I hope so too and you are one of my greatest inspirations.  I hope that you continue your work because I really feel that there’s really no one like you on the planet that has your knowledge and your experience so I just want to thank you because you’ve been really the catalyst for what I’m enjoying today is a happy life.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow, thank you so much, I’m deeply, deeply touched by that and you’ve certainly given me more than I could ever express in very few sentences, so.  With this incredible show of emotion we’re going to bring the beautiful show of emotion, we’re going to bring the show to an end.  Thank you listeners for listening and sharing with us, as we share.  Please send me email at [email protected].  For text and transcripts of this show and other shows please visit our website at personallifemedia.com and post a thought, comment if you want to and be sure to subscribe to the Expanded Lovemaking show if you haven’t already to get automatic updates and visit me at expandedlovemaking.com also where you can join my mailing list and find out more about my products, services and events as well.  We have been talking to Anton Diaz of sexyspirits.com, it’s been a wonderful show and it’s been really great and I will see you, this is all for now, this is your host Dr. Patti Taylor I remain you’re an ever expanding lovemaking, bye until next time.