Episode 41 - Transforming Sexual Energy into Spiritual Power with Victor Gold – Part One

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Woman: This program is intended for mature audiences only.

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Dr. Patti Taylor: This is part one of a two-part show on transforming sexual energy into spiritual power.

Victor Gold: In my opinion, there are basically two types of people on the planet at this time. I'm going to call one type of person, a fifth sensory being and the other type, a sixth sensory being. Conventional sex, essentially, involves people striving for bigger and better orgasms but they don’t realize that the orgasm is potentially a vehicle to take them into altered states of consciousness.

Tantric men, in general, are in service to feminine energy, they're in service to the women, and first and foremost, their goal is to provide her with as many orgasms as she would like, they accord her the first right of sexual satisfaction.

Arouse a woman by touching her all over her body, not necessarily focusing, initially, on the genitals but awakening her whole body, her neck, her earlobes, kissing her on the lips, and running my fingers up back and touching her thighs and her belly and her heart. Once I feel that the woman is sensually awakened, I might ask for permission to enter her if she's ready.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Welcome to the “Expanded Lovemaking Show.” I'm your host, Dr. Patti Taylor, of ExpandedLovemaking.com and I teach you how to give and receive way more pleasure than you ever dreamt possible. Today on the show, we're talking about transforming sexual energy into spiritual power.

So often, all men and women do is have sex for sex’s sake alone. While there are no complaints about that, wouldn’t it be nice to find out how much more we could be doing and experiencing? So to find out how we can, let's welcome our guest today, Victor Gold.

Hi, Victor.

Victor Gold: Hi, Patti.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Hi. So welcome, it's great to have you here.

Victor Gold: Thank you, it's wonderful to be here.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Cool. Well, Victor is a wholistic health educator specializing in erotic spirituality. He has a private practice offering Tantric instruction and sexual healing in San Rafael, California. Gold has been featured in several instructional videos and also teaches workshops nationally. He's the author of the new book, “The Potency Principles.” He's available in person and by phone for coaching on all the topics we'll cover today and in this book.

I think our listeners will love the show because Victor shares with us many sexual secrets of the Far East and challenges, lots of Western concepts about sex. He has lots and lots of practical advice and tools to share and put you well on your way. So let's get started.

Victor, what is your mission in writing your book?

Victor Gold: My mission, Patti, was to demystify Tantric sex so that the average person here in the West could understand how to take their lovemaking and bring it into a spiritual context.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So you say demystify, that implies that there was a mystery. What kind of mystery do you think people were having?

Victor Gold: Let me back up a moment and just remark, in my opinion, there is basically two types of people on the planet at this time. I'm going to call one type of person a fifth sensory being and the other type a sixth sensory being. Now, fifth sensory beings, basically, are really plugged in to the physical plane of existence. However, they don’t really have any concept about the unseen or the invisible spiritual worlds that penetrate and surround us. So they don’t really believe anything that they can't see, touch, smell, or hear. They basically only believe in the physical, they want physical evidence for everything.

Sixth sensory beings, on the other hand, understand that we live in the realm of energy and that everything in this life of ours comes from energy. Our thoughts, our feelings, even seemingly empty air is comprised of energy. So sixth sensory beings acknowledge that we're basically energy beings and as such, we are in touch we a much broader perspective than fifth sensory beings are.

Dr. Patti Taylor: OK, cool. So if we're having sex and we think there's something missing, it could just be that we're wanting to have a sixth sensory being kind of sex and maybe we're just having the other kind. Well, so I guess, would that translate into the difference between conventional sex and Tantric sex, perhaps?

Victor Gold: Conventional sex, essentially, involves people striving for bigger and better orgasms but they don’t realize that the orgasm is potentially a vehicle to take them into altered states of consciousness. So the problem is that conventional sex begins in the brain and ends in the genitals, generally, because men ejaculate and is basically short circuits, what I call the “sexual energy cycle” of which there are two parts.

But in conventional sex, we only experience one part, basically, because of male ejaculation which short circuits the energy at only one part. The second part, which is involve with Tantric sex is when we return the sexual energy, we return the orgasmic energy to the brain. So it starts in the brain, it activates the sexual glands and deals with the genitals. But then we take that energy and we bring it back to the brain where our consciousness is transformed.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Now, I have to just ask you, does it feel as good in the brain as it does in the genitals when you have this Tantric sex?

Victor Gold: Actually, it feels far better, it feels much more of a whole body experience. If you think of the body as being a collection of atoms and cells, then what we're looking at here is a whole brain experience, a whole body experience so that every cell in our body is turned on and every cell is activated.

Dr. Patti Taylor: I'm imagining that this might be very different from men and for women because women don’t ejaculate so it's very easy. I think women are very emotional about sex and so we're not as necessarily having to deal with ejaculation and holding it off. But for men, there may be much more of an issue around their genitals and ejaculation and sex. Is that possible?

Victor Gold: Yes, I believe it is. I believe it's safe to say, Patti, that virtually none of us have received any formal instruction in lovemaking. Most of us have learned about sex through information passed on by the marketplace, by the street, by pornography, by movies, or parents, teachers, religious leaders and other unknowing family and friends. So essentially, many of us have been programmed to believe in a certain type of sexual behavior. Tantric sex, however, brings forth a different agenda and part of my mission is to help people to reinterpret their sexual behavior so that they can actually raise their consciousness.

Dr. Patti Taylor: I'm going to be really practical here, for men, as having sex, he wants to ejaculate. How does he bring that energy back to his brain?

Victor Gold: What I'm asking men to do is train themselves to forego ejaculation. Now, this goes very much against men’s programming. Most of us think that the highest expression of male sexual power and virility is ejaculation. Well, I'm here to tell men that this is not the case. In fact, in order to experience greater penile strength, greater orgasmic capacity, bigger and better full body multiple orgasms, then men must learn to withhold their ejaculation.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Is that hard to do or is that easy to do?

Victor Gold: Actually, it's not very difficult. It takes several weeks of training, using, and developing the muscles that are used in sex. For example, if you were going to the bathroom and urinating, the muscles that you use to squirt out the last drops are the same muscles that can be developed and employed to prevent a man from ejaculating. And, going step further, if the man can learn to substitute orgasm for ejaculation, then they can use that to great advantage.

Dr. Patti Taylor: OK. We want to find out how and we're going to take a short break. I just want to say we are talking to Victor Gold, this is Dr. Patti Taylor, and we will be right back. You can learn more about Victor at www.SexualHealingNow.com and his book is “The Potency Principles” which is available at fine bookstores and maybe not-so-fine bookstores, I don’t know. Whoever wants to carry it, I think, and also Amazon.com.

So please stay with us.

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Dr. Patti Taylor: OK, we're back and we're talking about why it's so important to withhold ejaculation. I have a question for you. How do women feel about this?

Victor Gold: My experience has been that women actually love men who have accomplished the ability to orgasm without ejaculating because women can just lay back and relax. If you're the type of woman that takes a long time to become aroused or a long time to achieve your orgasmic space, then they can just relax and receive.

Tantric men in general are in service to feminine energy, they're in service to the women, and first and foremost, their goal is to provide her with as many orgasms as she would like. They accord her the first right of sexual satisfaction. So most women really enjoy men who are not rushed, who can last, and please them from head to toe.

Dr. Patti Taylor: You have a beautiful passage in your book, maybe you can just recap that for us - making love and giving a woman G-spot, internal stimulation, and sort of going back and forth.

Victor Gold: G-spot stimulation for women, I feel, is one of the things that men can give to women and it also allows men the opportunity to start having intercourse. At the point where they get close to the point of no return, what I recommend for the men to do at that point is to stop all stimulation and kind of withdraw and turn their attention to the G-spot massage.

G-spot massage is very, very wonderful not only to give the men a chance to relax and recharge his energies but also to place his full attention on his woman. In so doing, he can take her to very much expanded states of consciousness, take her into many, many orgasms and probably heal some of the issues that she may have around sex.

The reason I say that is because the G-spot is very much tucked away inside a woman’s body and most sexologists now realize that the G-spot is a place where the emotional content of every unsatisfactory sexual experience that women have with men or other women generally takes on the emotional content of that experience and stores it in the muscular tissue around the G-spot, the vaginal canal, the perineal area around the anal area. So it's very important to massage those areas to release blocked energy.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So is it hard to find the G-spot for a man? Is it located differently in different women?

Victor Gold: Actually, there is some variation as to where the G-spot is but any man can find it by moving his, let's say you're using your middle finger, your fire finger. You would take your fire finger and you go slightly inside the vagina toward the ceiling of the vagina near the interior part of the vagina. If the vagina was a clock, the G-spot would be between 11 and one o’clock in that area. It can be touched but usually only after a woman is somewhat highly aroused. Before that, the G-spot is difficult to locate. It needs to become more engorged from the arousal and then it becomes available to the touch.

Dr. Patti Taylor: OK, so that’s really beautiful. So would you get a woman aroused then by manually or through intercourse and then start playing with her G-spot or any one of those ways?

Victor Gold: Yes, I think, there is more than one way to make love. I mean, it's a creative process, there's no one way to do anything. Of course, when I make love, I like to touch a woman, I like to kiss a woman, I like to suck her [xx], I like to have intercourse. I like to do everything in my power to delay my own ejaculation whatever that takes and to insure the fact that she is totally thrilled with the lovemaking process.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So [xx] of course, is a woman’s vagina. But what might really hot session look like assuming that you or man might know how to delay his ejaculation?

Victor Gold: What I like to do is to arouse a woman by touching her all over her body, not necessarily focusing, initially, on the genitals but awakening her whole body, her neck, her earlobes, kissing her on the lips, and running my fingers up the back and touching her thighs and her belly and her heart. Once I feel that the woman is sensually awakened, I might ask for permission to enter her if she's ready.

Upon entering, I will allow myself some movement just enough to keep myself aroused and hard. If I ever get too close to the point of no return, I back off, I see-saw stimulation, and in many cases, I will withdraw and then begin the spot G-arousal. She can just lie back and communicate her needs to me and tell me how it feels for me to touch her on the G-spot so that she can get in touch with the sensation she's experiencing and communicate them to me.

At a point where I feel like she's starting to really get aroused, I work her clitoris a little bit and go back to her G-spot and then back to her clitoris. Then, I reenter to her some point soon and again bring myself close to the point of no return before I back off and withdraw and resume the spot G-massage. In such a way, I can go on making love for hours and hours keeping her very close to the point of no return as well as myself but without spilling over and short-circuiting the energy.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow! That sounds pretty juicy. I just want to ask you, most women are not communicative. I think a lot of women are like, “Gee, I don’t know what I want.” Does it take a woman a while, in your opinion, to become experienced enough? Do you often have to coach a woman to learn how to communicate or feel safe enough?

Victor Gold: Essentially, I need to ask her the right questions at the right time and what I want to do is to have her tuned in to her feeling mind, not her thinking mind. I want to get her out of her head and into her body. So I might ask you, Patti, if we'll making love, I might say, “How does that feel, Patti? Does that feel good? Does that hurt? Does that touch too soft or too hard?” I wanted to just allow her to tune in to her feelings.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well, that’s wonderful. Yes, because those are very simple yes or no questions that keep me in a feeling state. So I could see that that would be very simple, too. I would also feel very loved and cared for and I'd feel all of your attention. I think that would relax me and have me feel very bonded and connected to you.

Victor Gold: You know, one of the key need for a woman is to allow her the space to relax and let go. Tantric sex is very much about letting go and relaxing. By letting go, I mean, softening the body, no resistance, just feeling what's there and relaxing as deeply as possible. In the relaxation phase, the energy flows promoted in the body and she’ll have a greater orgasmic experience. As the journey of arousal escalates and as she learns to relax and soften her body and let go, then the energy flow is facilitated and that’s what creates the full body experience, the full body orgasm that we're seeking here.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Yes, I guess that’s right and, I guess, if she thinks that she's trying to help you get over the edge, that’s going to put a really different span on the entire experience. If the man and the woman are both sort of focused on that huffing and puffing and trying to climb the mountain, that’s a very different energy than relaxing and stretching things out. So I could where this whole focus on not ejaculating kind of takes on a very different flavor.

Victor Gold: It does and I'm glad you can see what I'm getting at here. The ability of a man or a woman to relax into the sexual arousal promotes a greater arousal. Relaxation, in many cases, has to be learned because many of us, instinctively, tighten and contract when we're on a high state of arousal. So when I'm coaching women or men, I teach them to be in a high state of arousal but without tensing the body and creating unnecessary tension. Tension blocks the energetic flow, relaxation promotes the flow. So the more the men and the women can relax, the more orgasmic their situation becomes.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Does anybody ever get too relaxed as a matter of risk?

Victor Gold: Actually, you really don’t get too relaxed, you get relaxed and you relax more deeply with each breath and that gives the body the opportunity to build more energy. We're learning to contain more energy. The tendency for men is when the energy builds, they basically feel a pressure in their balls which makes them want to release this pressure and many of them do that in the process of ejaculation.

What I'm suggesting here is that they train themselves to, instead of releasing that pressure, that build up, what I would like them to do is to circulate the energy and defuse the orgasmic energy all over their body particularly targeting the upper body, ultimately, their head where the brain is. The spiritual faculties reside in the brain and that’s where consciousness is transformed.

So in the relaxation and in the averting the ejaculation, the energy builds and it naturally ascends up into the head where it impacts the spiritual faculties and that’s where our perceptions change. Our whole perceptual reality changes and we start to open our hearts and feel more loving and more forgiving and more compassionate and more gentle, but also, we feel more connected to all that is. Ultimately, we can experience the Tantric reality, which is oneness.

In that highly orgasmic state, we're all experiencing full body orgasms, we experience the connection with all that is. We feel connected with our partner, we feel connected with the stars and the moon and the animals and the trees. We feel whole and this is the experience of spiritual enlightenment, it's the experience of oneness. Whereas the normal person, the average person, experience is everything as separate and is a multiplicity of separate things that Tantric experience is one of oneness.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow! That was a phenomenally beautiful--I don’t know what you'd call it--run-on paragraph that you could play over and over again and just contemplate and meditate just that oneness and connectedness. It's really beautiful. So on that note, we're going to take another break to support our sponsors. This is Dr. Patti Taylor I'm with Victor Gold. We will be right back.

You can learn more about Victor at www.SexualHealingNow.com.

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Dr. Patti Taylor: We're back and we've been talking about how to use sex to get connected to spiritual evolution and connectedness to all things. Does that happen? Is that possible that you can have that happen every time you have sex or is that something that just happens when you're lucky?

Victor Gold: Well, Tantra has created a methodology for achieving that state of consciousness over and over again. All that’s required is giving the lovemaking session enough time so that the energy can build and for man, that requires withholding his ejaculation so that he can service his woman properly.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So for you, that almost seems to be the key message that you really want to give people is that--is that like the key starting point for you? I mean, once a man learn how to do that, it's sort of that’s the golden key that unlocks the door to all these riches?

Victor Gold: I would say it's the basic fundamental skill for accomplished male lovers to learn. They need to master control the ejaculation, they need to understand the magic and the power of seminal retention. So once done, then they can satisfy any woman even a whole host of women, if need be. So I would say there's a very thin line between sex and spirit, if there's any line at all. But in order to bridge that gap, then the fundamental basic skill is seminal retention for men. That allows them to contain the energy.

Tantra is very much about energy as I've stated. It's about generating energy, containing energy, and ultimately, transforming the energy into spiritual awareness and we do that by raising the Tantric energy. We've got these major energy centers in our body. The energy between our legs is the energy that we want to generate. Once done, we want to raise it into the brain, we want to raise it towards the light, we want to raise the energy up as in a sense, our consciousness is expanded and our whole perceptual reality changes.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow! Well, that’s very inspiring. We're almost out of time but I would like to ask you a final question. What has been one of the greatest joys that you have experienced from doing this work?

Victor Gold: I feel it's the empowerment that I feel and see that other men and women are gaining from reinterpreting their sexual behavior rather than just doing what their parents have done and their parents’ parents in the past. We're learning a new way to make love and we're learning how to generate sexual energy and use that energy for transforming our consciousness. This is the next phase in the spiritual evolution of the species and it's about learning to raise the sexual energy, the energy from which we all sprang and use that for expanding our consciousness.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow! Thank you very much. Do you talk about how to withhold the ejaculation and some of these principles in your book?

Victor Gold: Yes. There are many different ways to do it, it's not that difficult. It starts with men wanting to experience another level beyond the physical. It would include the energetic and spiritual planes of existence.

Dr. Patti Taylor: OK, great. So you can find out more about Victor Gold at www.SexualHealingNow.com. Of course, he's on our Episode Page and is the author of “The Potency Principles” available at fine bookstores everywhere or online or Amazon.com.

So thank you so much for being on our show today.

Victor Gold: Thank you for inviting me, Patti.

Dr. Patti Taylor: It's been my total pleasure. I'm so glad men and women are having the chance to hear this really great information. Please send me email at [email protected]. For text and transcripts of this show and other shows on the Personal Life Media Network, please visit our website at PersonalLifeMedia.com. If you haven’t already, please be sure to subscribe to the “Expanded Lovemaking Show” so you can get automatic updates. Also please visit me, Dr. Patti [email protected] where you can join my mailing list and find out more about my products, services, and events.

This is your host, Dr. Patti Taylor. That’s all for now. I remain yours in ever expanding lovemaking and I'll see you next week.

Woman: This concludes part one, the interview will be continued in the next episode of this show. Find more great shows like this on PersonalLifeMedia.com.