Episode 35: Tongue Kung Fu: Sacred Secrets, Passionate Practices, and Tantalizing Techniques with Karinna Kittles-Karsten

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Discover Karinna Kittles-Karsten, the best-selling author of “Intimate Wisdom” and creator of the DVD “Sexual Kung Fu”, who combines Eastern and Western wisdom.  Learn how in the Taoist system of sexual mastery, people find it normal to practice their sexual skills, such as Tongue Kung Fu. Find out the types of motions you can make with your tongue, such as tongue flittering, tongue scooping, and tongue diving. Next, learn some applications for these tantalizing tongue skills, and where you might use them on a lover’s body. Note: unexpected places, like ears are also candidates!  Learn how obvious places, like lips, genitals, necks, and more can be skillfully pleasured with a knowing tongue. Tongue skills require connecting ourselves to our emotions, which explains why on one day, we may feel shy with our tongues, and bold on another day.  Hear Dr. Patti and Karinna explore intimate situations, and how to handle them, when one person is feeling tentative or nervous and the other person wants to initiate more playful engagement! Find out how to tongues figure into “69”, mutual oral sex position.  And learn about “Ambrosia”, the art of tasting one another. This show is one in a million, and Karinna, charm, and sweep you off your feet with her presence of warmth as well as the value of her information.  This is surely a show you in your partner will listen to, and want to go home and try to many tips, as soon as possible. I know I'm inspired!

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Announcer: This program is intended for mature audiences only.

Dr. Patti Taylor: In this awesome show learn about tongues. Use them to flitter, scoop and dive, and where to use them, aside from the obvious places, make offers to a shy partner so sweet and yummy that they’ll be ready for more adventure now that the emotional center is connected.

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Karinna Kittles Karsten: Mantak Chia, which I know that you are very familiar with, he was my first teacher and so he has been a great inspiration to in terms of understanding the naturalness that sexuality can be without judgment.

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Karinna Kittles Karsten: Tongue Kung Fu is an ancient Chinese art for giving and receiving oral sex skillfully as well as consciously.

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Karinna Kittles Karsten: Tongue Kung Fu is the skillful combination of utilizing your tongue, teeth, lips and intention to ignite the passion between you and your lover.

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Karinna Kittles Kartsten: Tongue diving is very interesting and that’s really just taking the full length of your tongue and the strength of your tongue and diving, and that can be diving into your lovers mouth, you know, straight back into their mouth. That’s very exciting. You can also utilize it to dive into your lovers navel and your lovers sexual palace. That’s very exciting when you use your tongue with a lot of strength but straightforward.

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Karinna Kittles Karsten: The secret the ancient Chinese understood was that the tongue is actually an extension of the heart. That’s why it’s so sensitive, and so when you are utilizing your tongue, when you’re kissing your lover, speaking to your lover or giving them oral sex, tongue Kung Fu, you’re actually expressing what your heart is feeling towards them.

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Dr. Patti Taylor: Welcome to the Expanded Lovemaking show. I’m your host, Dr. Patti Taylor of expandedlovemaking.com, and I teach you how to give and receive way more pleasure than you’ve ever dreamed possible. Today on the show we’re talking about tongue Kung Fu, sacred secrets, passionate practices and tantalizing techniques to take yourself and your partner to the stars. Our guest is Karrina Kittles Karsten, creator of the DVD Sexual Kung Fu and author of the new book Intimate Wisdom: How to Have The Best Love Ever. Welcome Karinna.
                                                                                 

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Thank you Patti for having me here today.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well it is my delight. Karinna Kittles Karsten is a former international model who is now a best selling author and internationally recognized relationship expert. Her unique combination of eastern and western wisdom has helped countless numbers of people transform their love lives. She’s a frequent international TV, radio and magazine contributor and guest. She’s produced and starred in a line of DVD’s and CD’s which cover the inner relationships between sex, love, intimacy, breadth, power, health and so much more. So I am so happy to have you here with us today. I think our listeners would love to know more, probably much more about how to use their tongues. It is so easy to think of tongues as just a tool, but what if they were also a doorway to bliss? Now if that’s the case, how can we open and maximize the potential of this entrance? So today we will find out what we can do to look at our tongues in a whole new light, and with much new delight. We’ll find out how we can have way more pleasure with this part of our bodies and wake up our tongues to the rest of us. So lets get started, and lets start with you. You’re absolutely gorgeous. You have been an international model and yet you’ve given up, I think that’s my understanding, to teach people about love.

Karinna Kittles Kartsten: Well thank you so much. You’re gorgeous too Patti, it takes one to know one. I, you know what, I never intended to be a teacher. I just had a great passion for learning the ancient eastern arts of love, as well as knowing more about my own psychology and mythology and around intimacy, and after about 8 years of very dedicated study in the eastern arts, specifically the Chinese art of love, I had a teacher who came to me and said, “It is time for you to become the teacher”, and that was the moment that it really dawned on me that I could be a teacher. And so there began my journey and it’s been over 10 years now and I am really happy to be able to share what I was originally so passionate about and still today I’m probably even more passionate about. So thank you.

Dr. Patti Taylor: You’re welcome. Who or what inspired in particular? Were there any particular teachers or any particular teachings?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Specifically the Daoist teachings, the Chinese art of love is what I call the Daoist teachings of sex and intimacy, and Mantak Chia, which I know that you are very familiar with, he was my first teacher, and so he has been a great inspiration to me in terms of understanding the naturalness that sexuality can be without judgment, free of all of our guilt and shame that can be built into experience, but that it is understanding that it is a powerful experience, intimacy and sexuality, and what we infuse that power with is what brings forth the outcome. So he was greatly influential to me and my understanding and teaching today.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Okay, great. So that gives a really simple background. But lets dive right into the tongue Kung Fu, that’s about all I can wait any longer for, I’ve been preparing for the interview and I’m just so curious. So what is tongue Kung Fu?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Well tongue Kung Fu is an ancient Chinese art for giving and receiving oral sex skillfully, as well as consciously.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Alright, great. And what techniques do you need to know in order to do this?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Well tongue Kung Fu is the skillful combination of utilizing your tongue, teeth, lips and intention to ignite the passion between you and your lover. And there are several tongue techniques that you can learn and utilize to fulfill that experience, and one would be playful tongue flutters, and that’s a back and forth rapid flittering of the tongue to vibrate, act as a vibrator for your partner in an erogenous zone of their body. There’s also tongue diving. That’s using the directness of your tongue as well as the full strength to dive deeply into your lovers erogenous zones, and that can be the armpit, it can be their mouth, it can be their sexual region. There’s also tongue scooping. Tongue scooping would be a come hither motion with the tongue and that can be utilized to activate and reach the g-spot inside of your woman’s vagina or it can also be utilized to reach the perineum behind the testicles. It’s a very exciting tongue movement.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow, that’s amazing. You know where my mind goes is like “Golly, how come I haven’t heard about any of this stuff”, I mean, I guess this is stuff they teach in the East, but I mean this is all new to me.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Yes, it is, it is a very ancient secret art of the Dao, and we don’t, we don’t really have really the understanding of what it means to give our lover pleasure with skill, as well as consciousness, and that’s, that’s really the winning combination. It’s not that you’re this amazing technical lover, but you also have the emotional background as well and the consciousness to deliver it well.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Yeah, thank you. I mean the odds are I’m probably doing some of those things that you’re doing, and I’m guessing that the odds are that our listeners are doing some of the things that you just mentioned, but I’m guessing that everyone listening, or at least some of the people or a lot of people are thinking, “Hey, I’d like to be doing a lot more of those things”, and I don’t know, you know, I mean like, did you call that ‘flithering’?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Playful tongue fluttering.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Fluttering, okay.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: And you can flit the tongue, it’s really a flit, but yes, to utilize your tongue in a very rapid back and forth motion to excite your lover.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Okay, now, okay, lets just talk about that. Where would you do flittering? And one thing I love about the Daoist system is they take their lovemaking seriously, and of course I teach that in Expanded Lovemaking, you know, the sandbox and practices and it’s okay, and I love that about the Daoist, they do, they practice this stuff, so tell us about the practice of flittering and how you might practice it.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Well you would take the playful tongue fluttering and you would utilize it on your lover’s ear. That is a beautiful erogenous zone, the ear, the back of the neck, and you would just move your very rapidly as if it was hummingbird wings, and just flitter it along your lovers body, around their breast, along the spine, around their sexual center, what I call a sexual palace for both male and female and it’s a very exciting movement of the tongue.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So can you make a sound to sort of give us an idea of what the speed might be, is it a sort of a da da da da da?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: (Purring sound). I mean there’s really no sound with it, but you can think of like a hummingbird like wings (purring sound).

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow, that’s hot. Okay, and you can use that pretty much anywhere you want; the nape of the neck or…

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Yes, anywhere you can think that your partner would be turned on by that.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Okay, cool. So, lets see, now lets try scooping.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Scooping. Well again it’s that come hither motion with your tongue. So think of your tongue as if it’s like a little spoon and you just utilize it to grasp the roof of your lover’s mouth in a kiss and that’s really sexy, like your clasping their teeth, behind their front teeth. You can also utilize it to reach inside your lover’s vagina and hit that g-spot at the top of the wall, the top wall, it’s about two to three inches inside the vagina and that’s a very sexy movement of the tongue. And you can also utilize it on a man to reach the perineum spot, which is right behind his testicles.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Uh huh, okay. I’m just, I was wondering, you know, like when a puppy dog kind of scoops up some water, is that a kind of a….

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Yes. You can look at it like that. Or you’re licking some ice cream, scooping your tongue around the ice cream cone.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Okay, so that’s a really fun one. One more, what’s another fun one?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: I think tongue diving is very interesting, and that’s really just taking the full length of your tongue and the strength of your tongue and diving, and that can be diving into your lovers mouth, you know, straight back into their mouth, that’s very exciting. You can also utilize it to dive into your lover’s navel and your lovers sexual palace. That’s very exciting when you use your tongue with a lot of strength but straight forward.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So tongue diving is where you just kind of go straight for your intended target.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Yes.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So if someone asks me where I was going tonight, I could just say I was going out diving?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: There you go.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Now are these, do you talk about these in your DVD Sexual Kung Fu?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Not in Sexual Kung Fu but my newest DVD called Sacred Lovemaking. There’s a whole section devoted to tongue Kung Fu.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: As well as the Intimate Wisdom book.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Also talks about this?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Yes.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow, well I think that’s going to be a very popular book, very successful. Okay, well now you did mention before that you do need some emotional skills that go along with the practical skills. The techniques, right. Now could you expand on that.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Sure. The most important emotional skill that you need is the joy and the reverance for giving tongue Kung Fu. And I think we forget about the joy, we go through the motions, “Oh, my lover will like this. Let me get them stimulated, let me get them a little excited so we can get right to intercourse.” But to not forget the joy, and also that it is an act of sacredness to please your lover, to actually feast upon your lover. It’s a really reverant act and, to bring that into it. Also your level of sensitivity that you have as the giver to your lovers experience of pleasure. That’s very important. How sensitive you are to what they really feel is pleasurable, and to know that by your perceptiveness. So perceive how to give that pleasure to them and how long to give that pleasure to them. That’s very important in giving very skillful tongue Kung Fu. Also creativity and fun; don’t forget to have fun with this. Really bring your personality into it and have a great time.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well gee, who, I can hardly imagine not having fun with that. Isn’t the tongue one of the most sensitive places in the whole body?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: It’s very sensitive, and the reason that is is what the ancient Chinese understood as a big secret. Would you like to know that secret?

Dr. Patti Taylor: Yes, and, you know, I think all, you know, hundred, several hundred thousand of our listeners would too, so, but lets here it.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Okay, the secret the ancient Chinese understood was that the tongue is actually an extension of the heart. That’s why it’s so sensitive. And so when you are utilizing your tongue, when you’re kissing your lover, speaking to your lover or giving them oral sex, tongue Kung Fu, you’re actually expressing what your heart is feeling towards them.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow! You know what, that’s a new one for me. That’s really cool. It makes total sense. You know, one thing I was thinking, I was just thinking about the tongue too, is it’s a very positive part of my body ‘cause I never see, I never have performance anxiety. I’m never wondering, “Am I doing this right or not?” I mean I won’t say never but, you know, it just doesn’t tend to come up for me. Usually it’s not like a right/wrong kind of thing, and I’m guessing for a lot of people it’s one of the easiest organs to really be a success with ‘cause everyone can flutter so it’s probably one of the easiest, or dive or, you know, go right for the point or scoop with, you know. It is really a very fun playful instrument.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: It is, and I think when you said it’s just an easy place for you to go, I think you’re naturally good at it, and I think you naturally have an open heart and that’s why you excel at it. When you, when you, your heart has been hurt, when you’ve experienced emotional shut down, if you’ve been, if you’ve broken up from someone lately, it’s hard for you to get your tongue out there again. You know, you don’t feel so excited about really being passionate because you’re exposing your heart again and we don’t even realize this consciously, but if you start to look at your kissing and also the way your lover, or maybe a lover in the past has been kissing you, just check in because every kiss has an emotional story, every single one.

Dr. Patti Taylor: I can see that, I can see that. Good point, thanks for that. Well listen, we’re going to take a short break to support our sponsors, so please stay with us. This is Dr. Patti and I’m with Karinna Kittles Karsten and we will be right back. You can learn more about Karinna at www.sacredlove.com where you can find out about her new book Intimate Wisdom and her DVD’s and all of that. And I just want to say that we did do a show on Mantak Chi very recently, it was episode number 28 so, and it was a very exciting show on the eastern philosophy of Daoism, so for those of you who are excited about this whole philosophy that would be a great companion show to what we’re hearing about now. So please stay with us, we’ll be right back.

Dr. Patti Taylor: We’re back and I’m Dr. Patti Taylor and we’re talking to Karinna Kittles Karsten about tongue Kung Fu. What a topic. This is so much fun. Well before the break we were talking about tongue Fu basics. So now I want to just go on with some more juicy practices. What about the tongue and the heart, is there anything else, anything else you want to say about that?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Well I think that it’s, it’s very powerful just to understand that concept, that when you give your lover your tongue you are giving them your heart. So how you utilize your tongue will even give you greater detail about how that your lover’s feeling about you, so if your tongue, if your lover is giving you just incredible passion and skillful tongue fluttering and tongue diving, that means they really want you, that you’re really excited about your love relationship. But if they’re holding back, they’re more of a peck, they give you pecks or they maybe give you a little bit and then they’re ready to move on to intercourse, it’s more that their heart is there but it’s not really there. So you can start to really assess what’s going on for you and how you’re giving tongue Kung Fu as well as how your lover’s giving it to you by really seeing that the root of it is what’s going on in the heart, the emotional space between you.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Yeah, well that’s really beautiful. I mean I have to, I’ll be honest, for me the degree to which I use my tongue, it fluctuates quite a bit, I think depending on how safe and secure I feel. Some days I’m just feeling very vulnerable or just not in the mood, and then other days, I don’t know, I’m bold and courageous and I’ll take the lead and, I mean I guess I’m all over the map.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: And I think that’s true of our hearts; some days our hearts are more open and some days our hearts have got a lot on its plate, like on our mind, we have a lot on our heart, and so that will also relate to how we utilize our tongue in a kiss or in having tongue Kung Fu, oral sex.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So, so I love what you’re saying here. So, so a lot of those things are just really fun to practice and learn and, especially on those, you know, really exploratory days. What might be a really nice kiss for, or tongue Kung Fu for someone, or for a couple lets say where they’re just getting started and maybe feeling a little shy and tender?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Well I think a great kiss starts with facing each other, but facing each other with your mouths at an angle. So you’re not just straight on kissing each other mouth. You have your lips at an angle towards each other; that allows the mouth to be open and your tongue to easily move towards each other. And then practice some playful sparring, some tongue sparring, and just explore your lover. You know, when you open your mouth to your lover, you are opening yourself to your lover.

Dr. Patti Taylor: You really are, and say your partner gets a little traumatized, is there anything you can do to kind of give them reassurance.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: I think then stop the kissing on the mouth, but just start with like some little fluttering on the ear and some long soft licks  around the neck and allow them to kind of sink into that space where it feels more safe and more comfortable, and that would lead me to tell you how, what you need to receive tongue Kung Fu, and there are skills for receiving tongue Kung Fu.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Yeah, ooh you know, energetically that really sounded like that would work for me on those days when I’m feeling vulnerable, that if I wasn’t quite up for the, you know, aggressive, which I am some days, and on those days when I’m like shy and I wanted to switch into that, that would, that would work for me to just go into that more receptive. What would that be?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Well the first thing is to learn to trust. You know, you have to be able to trust to really experience tongue Kung Fu, and open up. So trust and open yourself, that’s number one, the number one skill that you need to receive tongue Kung Fu. Second is really sink in to the sensations that you’re feeling, stay present with the pleasure. It’s very important for you to keep your mind on what is going on, keep your heart on what’s going on, feel the fire between you and your lover.

Dr. Patti Taylor: What do you do for some people who just go into their judgments and, so I love what you’re saying, and, but, and I’m just wondering what you would say to someone who says, “Oh, you know, I love what you’re saying, but my partners tongue is kind of pointy or hard or…”, you know, what could they do, they want to connect and, you know, could they give their lover feedback so, you know, they just maybe want the puppy dog style and they’re just feeling like, you know what I’m saying?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Right, this receiver needs to enjoy the experience and that’s why it’s fun to actually really develop your skill set with your lover through kissing first ‘cause that will relay back into the bedroom and tongue Kung Fu, and one of the great  ways without really talking about it because I think talking can turn to criticism very quickly, is to actually say, “Lets have a make out session”, invite your lover to a make out session and say, you know, “I just want to kiss you in this way to excite your passion”, and I’d say I’d love to get that back and have your lover reciprocate what you give them, so that you’re actually playing off of each other rather than “Oh you don’t do this right and I need it more this way”. Play with each other, move into that playful space to develop your skill set.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well I love that suggestion. Or also, or what you’re saying is maybe “show me what you do like”.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Exactly. Show and tell.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well great. So, how about the 69 position?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Yes, tongue Kung Fu and the 69 position is awesome, and I call it actually sharing ambrosia. Ambrosia is the food of the gods, and so when you are feasting on each other you are ambrosia to each other. So if both people are facing each others sex organs, the Chinese understands something that is natural to all human beings if we know how to activate that and it’s that we have a circuit called the microcosmic orbit that circulates around our body. But when two people are facing each other in the 69 position or sharing ambrosia, you’re actually forming one circuit around two bodies. And what that means is that you can easily move your sexual energy from the genitals up to the head and down the body to actually have a really powerful orgasm.

Dr. Patti Taylor: It’s very exciting. Well so, details, details.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Alright, so what happens first is that if you are the giver your microcosmic orbit starts to meet your lovers genitals, okay. Then their microcosmic orbit is activated from the genitals up their spine to the crown of their head down into their mouth, and then they activate your microcosmic orbit by moving their tongue into your sexual region and that moves down your, through your sexual region and then up your spine to your head. This is the secret to sexual ecstasy and the Chinese art of love, is to activate the microcosmic orbit, and that is how you move the sexual energy up from the genitals to the spine and up to the head to create a full body pleasure experience and multiple orgasms.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well that is pretty amazing. Can you kind of, is there some way you can sort of show us with a breath like what you would do breath wise ‘cause our listeners may not know what the microcosmic orbit is, although we did have John Zielinsky on recently fortunately who did walk us through that, that will be another show, so we’ve been blessed recently and, but is it possible to let us know?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Sure. Okay, so lets say that your tongue is on the sexual region of your partner. At that time what you’re doing is you’re focusing your tongue on circulating sexual energy through their sexual region and then visualize it moving up the back of their spine, so you can use your breath, so if you have your tongue moving then you can also take a moment and just inhale, draw the energy up the back of your partners spine to the top of their head and then let it exhale, their exhale goes right into your sexual region and then up your spine and then you inhale again, and then you exhale into their sexual region, and then you keep going like that. It’s very exciting, it can become very powerful very quickly.

Dr. Patti Taylor: And meanwhile your tongues are doing the…

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Tongue Kung Fu movements.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well that was a lot more graphic.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: It’s a lot of fun.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Yes that is a lot of fun. Well it’s about time for another break fortunately, give everyone a chance to hear from our sponsors, which is a good things so, they make this show possible, so please stay with us. We are talking to Karinna Kittles Karsten and this is Dr. Patti Taylor. You can learn more about Karinna at www.sacredlove.com.

Dr. Patti Taylor: We’re back and I’m Dr. Patti Taylor and we are talking to Karinna Kittles Karsten about tongue Kung Fu. Before the break we were talking about juicy practices. Now I want to talk to you about ambrosia and your media empire. So tell us about ambrosia.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Well ambrosia is the food of the gods and our partner should be ambrosia for us. So that means that they’re, our sense of taste and scent is excited by our partners taste and scent. And the, this, whether we are or not really tells us a lot about our sexual compatibility. So even before we actually become sexually involved with someone if we are aware of our like of their taste and scent we will know if we will actually have great sexual compatibility over the long term.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Okay, so how does ambrosia play into all of that? I guess the tongue is a natural bridge to what you’re going to say next?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Yes….

Dr. Patti Taylor: You ought to start tasting them I guess.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Exactly, you’re going to have to want to taste your lover over and over again to become a great tongue Kung Fu master, and so the ambrosia part is a very important factor and if you’re hesitant or you have resistance to the taste and the scent of your lover then that’s something very important to just realize that it’s not something that is absolutely not an obstacle, but you will have to address the factors of hygiene, of diet because it could have to do with the cleansing of what kind of toxins are in your lovers body, they would need to be open to cleansing and also exercise because that’s very important to keeping the body clear and open and the natural juices, fluids and scents flowing in a healthy more tasteful way.

Dr. Patti Taylor: That’s a good point. Now I have a, one probably quick question. When I hear the word Kung Fu I always think of those martial arts movies where everyone’s having a fight, so obviously, did they co-op the word Kung Fu or who co-opted what or what does Kung Fu mean?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Well tongue, well Kung Fu actually the word means skill or practice, so it, I don’t know who took it first, but the tongue Kung Fu is really the skill and the art of utilizing the tongue consciously as well as skillfully.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Alright, so good, so we can clarify that for all time, it’s not a negative word. So I just want to quickly ask you about your CD’s and DVD’s. You cover a wide range of things, just a little bit, we are running out of time, so what are they about?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Well the newest book, Intimate Wisdom: The Sacred Art of Love is really an overview of a blend of eastern and western methods and ideas about sharing real intimacy. But sharing intimacy that is emotional, physical, mental and spiritual so that you’re actually connecting on all four of those levels.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Yeah well, I’m just looking at a copy right now and it looks like an amazing book, I am just absolutely drooling and it’s got, it’s full of pictures and it is gorgeously laid out and I can’t wait to read it, it really looks like a great book and just absolutely looks fascinating and beautiful. And I love that you’ve come out with DVD’s and you’ve come out with CD’s, you’ve got music, you’ve got Chi gum. So it’s really comprehensive, you know, for people who really want to go leap…

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Yes.

Dr. Patti Taylor: with your work and really have an opportunity to go deep and I love that. So we’re almost out of time. I have, I just want to ask you two final questions. Number one is this: why are Taoist secrets always secrets, okay, because if, how can we call them secrets if people are always talking about them?

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Good question. Well I think the reason they have been secrets is the Daoist were actually shut down, actually killed a lot of them and their books were burned under confusionism and then communism in China. So a lot of the Daoist masters were actually forced underground or forced out of the country and again all of their books burned, so the secrets were passed down orally and very few writings have existed today, they actually were moved to Taiwan and Japan which were integrated and more into their societies. Now more, there’s more openness in the world, thank God, and we are now seeing these secrets start to be revealed more and more, and so I think that’s why you hear them as Daoist secrets.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Okay, well thank you. So, and so my second question is what’s your secret? What’s the one that you’ve really loved to share with people if they’re willing and able to hear it? And it could just be one ‘cause I’m sure you have more than one.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Well what I, my main secret is that I want everybody to understand that it is possible to have sacred love, and that sacred love, which is the core of the book Intimate Wisdom is having emotional, physical, mental and spiritual compatibility, and that you can have all of those and if you have less than all of those you tend to fight and struggle over the ones that you don’t have. You can, if you’re in a relationship you can develop the ones that you don’t have and if you’re not in a relationship you can seek out someone who you can share that kind of compatibility with. It’s possible.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So the big secret is you can have it all.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: You can.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Okay, wow, well that’s huge. So, so this brings us to the end of our show. Thank you so much for coming on and sharing all your insights with us. This has been an amazing show. I am like totally inspired.

Karinna Kittles Karsten: Thank you Patti. It’s been wonderful being here with you today. It’s been a great show.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Yes, well you can find out more about Karinna at sacredlove.com, and we will also put up all her information at personallifemedia.com on the Expanded Lovemaking show where of course she has an episode page and we will put up her links. So you can definitely find out more. You can get the transcripts of this show at personallifemedia.com, as well as other shows. So please do visit our website at personallifemedia.com. Please send me email at [email protected]. And if you haven’t already please be sure to subscribe to the Expanded Lovemaking show so you can get automatic updates as soon as they become available. Also please visit me, Dr. Patti Taylor, at expandedlovemaking.com where you can join my mailing list and find out more about my products, services and events. This is your host, Dr. Patti Taylor, and that’s all for now. I remain yours in ever expanding lovemaking and I’ll see you next week.

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