Episode 34: Optimize Orgasmic Energy with Timeless Taoist Secrets with John Zielinski

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In this show, Learn as Dr. Patti goes into depth with John Zielinski about why the Taoist system is so powerful. Hear about the energetic “storm” that is created at birth, that helps create males and females, and the energy streams that give us all life force energy stream. Why is this significant? Learn about the BIGGEST Taoist secret of all: The Microcosmic Orbit: how it works, and how you can incorporate it into your sexuality. Can both men and women can use it? Learn how men can use the “big draw” and “little draw” to influence ejaculatory patterns.  Discover the yin-yang exchange that will help lovemaking go to the deepest levels imaginable, and how to create this exchange with a beloved. Now, do you need to be in a particular Taoist position? If so, what or which are best?

John shares with us the specific books, DVDs, and learning that help us study sexual Taoist sexual mastery. He illustrates why couples find this system a rich resource for building passion as well. He discusses and answers the “ejaculation” question – should men ejaculate, and if so, on what frequency? John generously gives us some more great “pieces” to add to our “building blocks” of “must-have” knowledge about the valuable Taoist system of lovemaking!

This show ties in to our EL Show #28 very nicely, where we interview his teacher, Mantak Chia, on the overview of Taoist Lovemaking. A rich show, chock-full of information and inspiration!

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Dr. Patti Taylor: In this great show find out about the famous Taoist practice used to direct the speed and intensity with which you fill your body with orgasmic energy. And learn the yin yang exchange, a deeply bonding lovemaking practice that circulates energy through both of you in a scent to breeze extraordinary closeness in an unusually rapid period of time.

John Zielinski: When we talk about medicine or we talk about personal development or personal power or personal sexual energy, we have to talk about sexual, or about energy and how the energy works in our sexual and our healing and in our everyday life.

John Zielinski: The secret of the Taoist teachings is to collect and keep intensifying our energy flow through that circuit up our back and down the front. When we do this, we say that our microcosmic channel is open. It fills with energy and expands and overflows into all our acupuncture meridians.

John Zielinski: But if we have a simple daily practice where we concentrate on bringing up the sexual energy from our testicles or ovaries and we’re drawing that up and circulating it then that sexual energy is distributed in our body and harmonizes with all our life force energy and it harmonizes our whole entire life.

John Zielinski: And there’s two practices that are used in lovemaking. The first one is called the ‘testicle-ovarian breathing’. And the second one is called the ‘big draw’ or the ‘upward orgasmic draw’.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Welcome to the Expanded Lovemaking show. I’m your host Dr. Patti Taylor of expandedlovemaking.com and I teach you how to give and receive way more pleasure than you ever dreamed possible. Today on the show we are learning how to optimize lovemaking with timeless Taoist secrets. Learn the secrets that are underlying the key to all of the great Taoist masters teachings. Do these practices well and you can go on to become a master of sexual energy yourself. We are so pleased to have here with us today a senior practitioner and longtime student of Master Mantak Chia, an especially famous teacher alive today. So here with us today is John Zielinski. Welcome John.

John Zielinski: Hi, it’s great to be here.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Hi, it’s great to have you here John. John is a student and instructor of Master Mantak Chia’s sysem. He has been studying the system for 27 years and lived with Master Chia for a year. In addition, he’s a filmmaker and producer on topics including sexual mastery, green living and healing. He currently lives in Santa Cruz, California where he has a private practice in person and by phone. I’m pleased to have you with us here today John. I think our listeners really care about learning the proper techniques associated with Mantak Chia’s system of spreading orgasmic energy through the body. My understanding is that this teaching is the key to the, understanding the heart of what Mantak Chia teaches us. Our listeners are so lucky that you’re hear to clarify and explain what this is all about.

John Zielinski: Thank you Patti. I’ll do my best.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well wonderful, I know you will. So today we will find out more about the Taoist system of lovemaking, which is a very comprehensive system, and it’s so fascinating and so rich, and so we’re just incredibly lucky to have John here with us. So lets get started. John can you tell us a little bit about inner alchemy?

John Zielinski: Yes, the inner alchemy, the Taoist inner alchemy is at the core of the main Taoist practices. That includes traditional Chinese medicine, it includes the martial arts and it includes the spiritual practice of the Taoists. So the main alchemy comes from the model of how the Taoist sees the creation of the human being. The sperm comes from the male and egg comes from the female. When the sperm reaches the egg, when the first sperm reaches the egg then a chemical reaction occurs that surrounds the whole egg. Only one sperm creates this reaction and blocks all other sperm. Then what happens is there’s an incredible storm that happens in that space. Within that storm there’s a Tai Chi pole or separation of yin and yong that’s created. When the storm clears, what happens is the chemicals and the energies coalesce and form rivers and pools. The rivers turn out to be our acupuncture meridians, our energy channels, and the pools turn into our organs as the human being forms.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow, it’s amazing that these people could find out all of that was going on inside of us. Well I guess that’s important as far as what we do with our sexual energy I’m guessing, huh, isn’t it?

John Zielinski: Absolutely. The human being is composed according to the Taoist tradition of body, mind and spirit, so that’s an energetic beast. So when we talk about medicine or we talk about personal development or personal power or personal sexual energy, we have to talk about sexual, or about energy and how the energy works in our sexual, in our healing and in our everyday life. So that, that, in order to have a correct understanding according to the Taoist of our energy makeup, it’s very simple. The main core of the inner alchemy is the is, is an energy flow within or body called the ‘microcosmic orbit’, and it’s very simple to understand, that in our body from our crown down to our perineum and up to our crown again along the back channel we have an energy flow inside of us, and about an inch underneath the skin there’s a front channel that starts at the tip of the tongue and goes down our neck, through our throat, our heart center, our solar plexus, our navel, our sexual center and our perineum, and there’s a back channel which rises from the perineum, to the sacrum, to the point behind our navel, to the point behind our heart, to our C7 at the base of our neck, to the jade pillow, the point at the back of our head and back to the crown again. The secret of the Taoist teachings is to collect and keep intensifying our energy flow through that circuit up our back and down the front. When we do this, we say that our microcosmic channel is open. It fills with energy and expands and overflows into all our acupuncture meridians.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow. Well I just want to say the perineum is that point, it’s our root, right…

 

John Zielinski: Yes, exactly

Dr. Patti Taylor: it’s right between our legs, kind of you know where sort of…

 

John Zielinski: Between your genitals and anus, exactly, yeah.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Between our genitals and anus, right. Now, and why is that so important to have that flow happening?

John Zielinski: It’s so important because…

Dr. Patti Taylor: I mean that’s the major Taoist secret, so…

John Zielinski: Yes, that’s, when we were first born right out of the womb, that was when our microcosmic orbit was the strongest. When we grew up we had so much pressure from growing up and figuring everything out and pressure from family and making a living and education and everything, but somehow we didn’t keep our energy flowing through the microcosmic orbit. So the energy diminished, we still, if we’re alive, we still have energy in the channel, but it’s not flowing in that powerful flow, in a circuitry of the front and back channel anymore. It’s diminished and as a result our lives are diminished and we’re really not as strong as we could be, as we would be if the channel was really flowing.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Yeah, I would say I would even notice that for myself a lot of the time. I’ve heard a lot of men using Taoist breathing which is a portion of the microcosmic orbit. So I was wondering since we don’t, you know, this is just a short show, we might get a taste of some Taoist breath work that taps into kind of the microcosmic orbit in the maybe the little draw and the big draw, do we have time for that?

John Zielinski: We can talk about the three aspects where breath is used in relation to the movement of energy. In the first practice, which people are advised to practice before they start the sexual practice, but the first practice is to open the microcosmic orbit where the breath is used to breathe up the energy up your spine and down the front of your being, and you keep breathing and breathing up, exhaling down, breathing up, exhaling down, and you do that until you feel the flow of energy internal, inside your own body to where you can actually feel the energy flowing up your back and down your front in this circuit. That’s the first time that breath is used. The second time that breath is used is where in a Taoist model the sexual energy is coming from the testicles or the ovaries in a person, and the practice of the testicle/ovarian breathing uses the breath in a very gentle way to draw the sexual energy from the ovaries or the testicles, male or female, and drawn up the back channel, and as it’s drawn up the back channel it becomes a higher and higher grade of energy, so it goes from a maybe you might say a thicker or more course form of sexual energy to a higher grade energy that’s more like life force energy, or what we call ‘chi’. So, then that is the preparation to distribute the sexual energy through your whole body and transform it to life force energy and you become stronger and more vital that way. Then when you’re actually doing the sexual practice, during lovemaking when you’re aroused you take the arousal energy and draw it with a, a breath of, a lot more strength and you pull the aroused sexual energy up from your genitals to your perineum, to your sacrum and up your back all the way to the crown, storing it at the crown, bringing it down to your brain and circulating it through your brain, bringing it to your third eye and then bringing it down as life force energy in the front channel of your microcosmic, and then circulating that new chi energy and revitalizing your whole body with this practice.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Oh, okay. So the first, the first kind of breathing I could do all the time, it’s just imagining that I’m circulating my energy from back to front.

John Zielinski: Exactly. That’s exactly what the Taoist practice says is all the time you have a consciousness of your microcosmic energy flowing.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Ok, great. And then the second time, would that be like I’m making love or whatever, I’m just starting to consciously bring the sexual energy just from back to front would be the second level of working with this energy?

John Zielinski: Yes and there’s a really good benefit here in the testicle/ovarian breathing, that if our energy, if our sexual energy stats to build up then it can start to affect us psychologically or put a pressure on us to do this or do that, but if we have simple daily practice where we concentrate on bringing up the sexual energy from our testicles or ovaries and we’re drawing that up and circulating it, then that sexual energy is distributed in our body and harmonizes with all our life force energy and it harmonizes our whole entire life.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Is there any kind of right way to do it? Is there any sound that you can make to kind of illustrate for our listeners what it might sound like or is it just whatever the listener wants to do would be the right way?

John Zielinski: Well the sound on the testicle/ovarian, it’s done in stillness with a very quiet breath, but the sound comes in, in the third practice called ‘the big draw’ or the ‘upward orgasmic draw’, and this is where you’re making love passionately and you realize you’re coming to orgasm and the Taoist stops, the Taoist techniques advise us stop making loves just before the orgasm and feeling all this incredible powerful orgasmic sexual energy around your genital region and you stop and you do a whole series of muscular contractions and body alignments and forceful breathing so that in one instant, in one little short part of this exercise you would feel the energy at the tip, if you’re a male, you feel the energy at the tip of your penis and you imagine it coming down the shaft of your penis to your perineum with a forceful intake of breath. So you’re making love, you have all of this energy, you exhale and you inhale up like just a short breath, you go (breathes), and each time you take a sip of air in you’re pull the sexual energy away from your sexual organs toward your perineum, toward your sacrum and up toward your back in stages until it reaches your crown.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow. So, I want to do that too. I think women can do that too, but…

John Zielinski: Yes, women do it also.

Dr. Patti Taylor: You think about the men right now. What happens when it reaches your crown?

John Zielinski: When it reaches your crown you have a lot of energy at your crown. You bring it down to your third eye, you bring it into your body, into your head and you rotate, circulate the energy from the right hemisphere of the brain to the back, to the left hemisphere of the brain, and you do that nine times in a clockwise and then reverse and do nine times in a counterclockwise way and you feel this sexual slash life force energy going through your brain and it revitalizes your brain, your creative thinking and your general though awareness in your brain power.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So this is right be, instead of going over the edge and ejaculating, you would do this instead of that?

John Zielinski: That’s right. At least for the first time. Then after you do that, you bring it up and you circulate it in your brain, you feel the energy come down your front channel and you circulate it inside your microcosmic. Then you can go back, because you haven’t come to an orgasm then you can go back, and after both partners do this breath then they can begin lovemaking again.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Now you say circulate it inside your microcosmic and I notice that your hands are kind of going around. What does that mean, you circulate it around the front.

John Zielinski: They’re the two channels, you bring the energy up your back to your crown and then down your front, and that channel is internal to your body. It exists in a subtle energy plane, so there’s nothing physically correlating to that, but you imagine a channel down the front of your body that’s one inch from inside your skin to your perineum and then it goes up your back actually through the center of your spine, through your spinal cord into the, into the brain, up over your head and then down again in the front in one continuous loop of energy circulating within you.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Okay, and then it just goes down again into your perineum again right?

John Zielinski: Yes, it goes round and around, so you breathe, you breathe in, it goes up your back, you exhale and it slides down your front.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Okay, great. By the way, your sacrum is just your what?

John Zielinski: It’s at the bottom, the sacrum is a bone, a triangular bone at the base of your spine, and right at the base of the sacrum is a little smaller triangular bone called the coccyx and that’s an energy center in the Taoist system, and that’s where you pull and concentrate the energy for a moment and then pull it up to the next energy center, concentrate it and bring it up.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Okay, good, just so we’re all on the same page here for those of us who didn’t learn that in high school. Okey dokey, well thank you very, very much. I know what I’m trying tonight. I’m actually very inspired. That sounds like a lot of fun and very enlightening actually. Anyway, we are going to take a break, so please stay with us. This is Dr. Patti Taylor and I’m with John Zielinski and we’ll be right back. You can find out more about John at pacifictao.com, p-a-c-i-f-i-c-t-a-o dot com and also at www.taoisthealikng.com, t-a-o-i-s-t-h-e-a-l-i-n-g dot com. I just want to say Master Mantak Chia did an amazing show recently on Expanded Lovemaking, show number 28 that talks about the grand scheme of things you can say. In this show lays a deep foundation, so those of you that were excited and inspired by this show and want to learn more, I would say this show with John is kind of a companion show and just extends that show, deepens the information, so we’re just really, really lucky to have John here with us today kind of broadening out all the stuff we learned from Master Chia, so please stay with us.

Dr. Patti Taylor: We’re back and I’m Dr. Patti Taylor, and we are learning from John Zielinski how to optimize lovemaking with timeless Taoist secrets. Before the break we were talking about the microcosmic orbit and why it’s so important. And now I want to find out a little bit more about how to bring some of these secrets into lovemaking with a partner. Yeah, lets talk about lovemaking.

John Zielinski: Okay. In lovemaking, the Taoists see that as a great opportunity to practice energy techniques for the purpose of making both people healthier and more alive and more spiritually developing along the path. So there’s two precise and there’s two practices that are used in lovemaking. The first one is called the ‘testicle/ovarian breathing’ and the second one is called the ‘big draw’ or the ‘upward orgasmic draw’, and we talked a little bit about both of those, and a further technique beyond that is called ‘the yen yon exchange’, where the two people, when they’re making love for so long and it gets really hot and really passionate and both people are about to have an orgasm and they stop, then all the energy, and they can look at each other and they stop the energy so they don’t orgasm, the man doesn’t ejaculate, and they do something called ‘the yen yon exchange’. Well, okay, I forgot to say when they, when they just stop before the orgasm, they do the big draw, they gather up all that sexual energy and circulate it, then they hold each other in stillness. The two partners put their noses, they’re holding each other so that the noses are by the ear of the other partner and so they can hear each other breathe. And what they do then is they feel their life force energy exchange through their genital contact, so the life force energy of the microcosmic orbit of one partner flows into the genitals and down and up through the back channel and circulates through the other partner, and the other partners life force energy is also shared, and this is the deepest form of communication that I’ve every run across. The direct intentional transfer of energy, which holds our beingness, who we are, our spirit is actually transferred between two people and it’s incredibly powerful. And in my experience, in my life, you know I grew up for a long time and I love making and had relationships, but I, after I learned the Taoists practice I saw that I never had anything before that as powerful as the Taoist practice and the exchange with the yen yon energy and how deeply connected and bonded you get to your partner.

Dr. Patti Taylor: I love, thank you for that, I love when you came over there’s a book that you showed me, there’s a picture of a couple and they’re in an embrace and the energy just flows from one of the partners to the other and they’re just like in a figure eight of energy, and you said you know how when one person, when you see an old couple walking down the street and they just seem to be like, you know, one person after all that time and this system helps you get to be like that really old couple, but really, really fast.

John Zielinski: Yeah, I learned this quite by accident, when I had a partner and when I was making love and it was very profound and very powerful, and it was, you know, I fell asleep and the next morning I woke up and felt feelings that weren’t mine, I felt sensations in my body that weren’t mine and I realized that I had actually absorbed the essence of the person that I was with, and it was so profound to me I’ll never forget that, and it’s actually the key to understanding that is our life force energy contains our essence and when we exchange it it’s a very, very deep exchange.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So is there a particular position that we should be in? I’m going to walk through this like slowly ‘cause I’m sure a lot of listeners are waking up and going “Holy cow, I should be taking notes on this”.

John Zielinski: Well the Taoist practice has many, many positions and in Taoist medicine they actually prescribe different sexual positions for different ailments. But for this practice or for the sexual energetic, it’s not so much practicing positions as it is being aware of the energetic and the internal channels, aware that your consciously and intentionally doing alchemy. You’re sharing the depths of your being and you’re sharing energy for the purpose of getting more and more energy within both of your bodies, ‘cause the basic aim of the Taoist practice is to get more energy, more life force energy so that your meridians are open, you live longer, you live healthier, you live wiser and you live in a way that your internal spirit starts to develop in each of you.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Thank you, and I’m just thinking back to what Mantak Chia said. He did have a number of different techniques for making love, so I guess we can come back to that. Do you want to talk about the valley orgasm?

John Zielinski: Yeah, the valley orgasm is what happens in western lovemaking, the male and female come together, and I don’t want to say this exclusive with all the time for the west or not, don’t want to get into trouble with that, but typically the male and the female make love, the male comes, Chia always says this as a joke and he says the male rolls over and falls asleep and the woman says “Where’s mine? What do I ge?”, and the males all pleased and he went to sleep ‘cause his energy was lost, and the woman is oftentimes left waiting there. In the Taoist system you withhold your ejaculation, the male withholds the ejaculation so that his, he has more power, he can go again and again and again. And what happens in the technique is you go and you make love again, when you’re just to the point of no return, before that you stop and you both stay in a sacred stillness and a silence, and your intention, you hold your partner and that time of valley orgasm is after you come almost to the peak, the sexual intensity drops a little bit, but you keep that same intensity and you stay in stillness, and that’s where you, that’s when you really bond with your partner. Then after a time you both start to move a little bit, then a little bit more, then a little bit more and it gets hotter and you start to make love and you reach another, almost reach another plateau and you stop just before and you have another valley orgasm, but the intensity of this valley orgasm is up on a scale, you’re much higher. Then after a while, then you start to make love again and the level of orgasmic energy is going higher and higher and higher and each time you pull back you’re on a higher level, a higher level during the valley orgasm and you keep going on as long as you want.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow. Well you know, I can see why the fusion of east and west, you know, it’s really great that we can really kind of, you know, get the benefit of all the different cultures these days because obviously there’s some really great things that are coming from different cultures. This is obviously something of phenomenal beauty and value that a lot of people may want to practice, and there’s a lot of information out there that we’re going to talk about more after the break. I was just wondering if you have any examples from your own life of either someone you’ve worked with or just a personal example of someone that you’ve seen or worked with?

John Zielinski: In terms of?

Dr. Patti Taylor: Just the lovemaking, a story.

John Zielinski: Actually I’ve been working with singles and couples for many, many years. The number of incredibly powerful success stories is really great. At first men say, “Don’t ejaculate? You must be nuts”, but when they think about it or when they read a book and they learn that one ejaculation is 500 million sperm come out and each sperm has the energy to recreate the whole human being, and when you think about it the body uses a lot of energy to make one sperm. 500 million sperm, the individual male loses a lot of energy, and when they just say, “Maybe there’s something there”, and they try to hold back that ejaculation, a really powerful feeling comes into the male and say, “This is awesome. I feel, I feel like not going to sleep. I feel like making love again and again and again”, and many men have, that I’ve seen have gone through this including me, have gotten to the point of being able to make love for many, many, many hours and not have ejaculation. Women really like that because they get a lot more pleasure that way from the extended lovemaking.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well thank you. Well I believe in the power of choice, so I, I love that you’re coming on this show and giving our listeners more ability to make that choice. So we’re going to take another break. We are talking to John Zielinski and this is Dr. Patti Taylor. And you can find out more about John Zielinski at pacifictao.com and also taoisthealing.com. So please stay with us, we will be right back.

Dr. Patti Taylor: We’re back and I’m Dr. Patti Taylor, and we are learning to optimize lovemaking with timeless Taoist secrets with John Zielinski. Boy, we’re learning quite a bit today, I’ll tell you, and I’m getting all inspired too, I have to admit, so I’m really having a great time. Before the break we were talking about lovemaking and debating the ejaculation debate, which is a big part of the whole Taoist thing, so I’m really glad we brought it up. I’d like to kind of change our focus a little bit now and talk about the cosmology and the whole concept of the spirit body.

John Zielinski: Yes, this is the final goal of the Taoist inner alchemy, to create, to become immortal within ourselves both physically and spiritually. Physically is not so important that we live forever, but that we have very, very good health and high vitality in our older age. What good is living a long time if you’re not able to really enjoy life. But the spiritual alchemy is the really important part that is the core of the Taoist traditional practice. And when we say spiritual in the Taoist system and Taoist inner alchemy, we mean a really live being, spiritual fetus is created within our energy body and that spiritual fetus, we learn how to nurture it and watch it grow, and as it grows something really interesting happens in our feelings, in our beings. We become, we become more who we really are, less affected by our culture, which says do this and do that, but more affected by our own inner wants and desires and what we really know is true.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow, wow, so thank you for that. So how would more and better lovemaking help to feed that process?

John Zielinski: Here’s how that works Patti, is that when we make more love and more intense love and have more sexual energy, this is like food for spiritual growth in the following way. We take using the two practices of testicle/ovarian breathing and the big draw just before orgasm, we take that sexual energy, we draw it up from the genital region, circulating it through the microcosmic, that energy spills out over from our microcosmic and fills all our acupuncture meridians. Now in a Taoist inner alchemy the two statements are when you have all your acupuncture meridians open and all that energy is harmonized then you become in a state of perfect health and perfect knowing and perfect who you are, you are that person, and your inner being, your inner spirit, it becomes fully grown at that time. So the Taoist then would want to make love and have as much sexual energy and transform that sexual energy as often as they can into the life force energy because that’s what feels great, you feel much more yourself, you’re healthier, more vital and you have more energy for life than you ever thought was possible before.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Oh ha. I knew I was on the right path.

John Zielinski: That’s right, that’s right, and men and women both like this Taoist inner alchemy with the sexual aspect because it’s not only fun and satisfying our deepest yearnings for who we are, but it’s also contributing directly to our spiritual growth, our emotional maturation, our physical maturation and our spiritual maturation all together, we grow up and mature in the most real way that I, I can see.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow, so that’s beautiful work. So you work with couples then, men and women I’m guessing, to help them to, to do what?

John Zielinski: Well I’ve worked with singles and couples for a really long time. And I coached them in the whole of the, of the inner alchemy work, which is how to open the microcosmic, the inner smile practice to smile into your organs which leaves you a much happier person because you are your organs and your organs are you, and traditional Chinese medicine. And I coach them in the lovemaking, the techniques we’ve been talking about. And I coach them especially when they start doing the practice and issues come up, the vulnerability comes up or fear or anger or worry or any negative emotion that comes up, or maybe being too positive and too idealistic comes up, but how to harmonize those energies and keep doing the practice until it all settles and centers, and I’ve seen so many people really, really get through their, any issues of personal growth or fear or “Who am I?” or “Am I good enough?” I’ve seen so many people blossom into really authentic people.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow, well thank you so much. So just briefly, one of the things also that’s so phenomenal about the Taoist work is that there is a phenomenally rich body of resources for people that study. This is not like someone wrote a book. There is a many, many thousands of years old traditions and we’re also blessed, not only do we have a show right here on Expanded Lovemaking, Master Mantak Chia, episode 28, who has an amazing show, and we did provide the links on personallifemedia.com and recommend some things, some videos to watch, but also you went and shot some amazing DVD’s of Master Mantak Chia, so I just wanted to take the last few moments of the show to find out if people wanted to on their own, assuming they couldn’t call you or work with you or visit you, what could our listeners do to either read, what books would you recommend? We’ll put the links up on personallifemedia.com, but aside from that, or just in addition to that, what could they do to read, what DVD’s would you start them on to practice on their own ‘cause we are so lucky to have this, these resources?

John Zielinski: Well, first to realize that Master Chia, Mantak Chia was the first Taoist master to really teach these previously secret techniques to the world at large. He did that through his books, mainly The Awakening Healing Energy book to open the microcosmic, through the Taoist Male Secrets so males could understand their own sexuality better. Cultivating Female Sexual Energy is a female book to help women understand their, the whole sexual system, and the Iron Shirt Chi Kung book which teaches a posture which is traditionally associated with this practice on this level, you practice the standing at the same time you do the sexual. This is a core of the practice that’s well documented in the books, and also I saw that it is so important to see the master and not only read words, so it was my intention and I’m so happy that I’ve been able to bring on really good DVD’s of Mantak Chia teaching in a workshop format with good audio and good visual so that you would be in the workshop just like a student and you could learn the whole system directly from Master Chia himself.

Dr. Patti Taylor: I totally agree. You know what, there’s no substitute for a transmission, you know, that you can see and hear, and seeing Mantak Chia, there’s just no substitute.

John Zielinski: Yes. To be with him of course is the ultimate, but the video, the DVD workshops are incredibly profound. People give us really good feedback that they learned a great deal.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So just briefly can we read them off? Do you want me to, I can do that, I can read them off. I’ve got them right here. So, they’re on pacifictao.com but they are, for those of you who just want to know they are The Sexual Alchemy Healing Love set and I saw some of them and I have to say they were wonderful. I loved watching them, I really did, and they were fun, they were funny. I mean, Master Mantak Chia is wonderful and I, I mean it was a really, I have to say I really love watching those DVD’s. They were informative, my partner got so inspired he wanted to try everything right away. I mean, I thought that was a great set, The Inner Alchemy set, I mean they were just really good watching. Cosmic Inner Smile I haven’t seen. Cosmic Healing Sounds I haven’t seen, but I really want to see them, so maybe I can, you know, pull some strings with someone I know to get a copy, and also the Iron Shirt Chi Kung, so we will put up these links on personallifemedia.com. For those of you interested in web books might, somebody might, and these are on pacifictao.com. And also again, John’s website is taoisthealing.com. But what books might they also read?

John Zielinski: Well the books by Mantak Chia are Awakened Healing Energy, the male book Cultivating Male Sexual Energy, the female book Cultivating Female Energy, another book written by Douglas Abrams on the multi orgasmic man and Douglas Abrams wife, Rachel Abrams wrote a book on the multi orgasmic female, Multi Orgasmic Woman. And also your book I think is fantastic because it really gets into nuts and bolts of making love and expanding your orgasm in a real way that anybody can understand and everybody want to do.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well thank you. You mean Expander Orgasm, right?

John Zielinski: Expanded Orgasm, yes.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Thank you. Totally uncalled for, I mean spontaneous.

John Zielinski: Thank you Patti.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Thank you so much. So I have one final question for you. Just tell me one thing that just totally wakes you up in the morning and inspires you about doing this work.

John Zielinski: I’m so thrilled to be in this body of knowledge because it, it gives me my health and vitality everyday and my much deeper, richer relationships with my partner and everybody I deal with all the time, and it makes me happy when I wake up in the morning than I’ve ever been before.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow, well thank you. And I love interviewing people in this line of work ‘cause they are so hot and gorgeous and they are vital and you are definitely walking your talk. So thank you. That brings us to the end of our show. Thank you John.

John Zielinski: Thank you Patti.

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