Episode 4: The Three Keys to Orgasmic Energy with Margot Anand of SkyDancing Tantra

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Dr. Patti Taylor interviews Margot Anand, founder of SkyDancing Tantra, the author of The Art of Sexual Ecstasy. Tantra can supercharge your whole life and your partner's life-- with orgasmic energy. Find out why bringing orgasmic energy up the body will change the way you experience not just sex but love and even life! In this episode, Margot shares her excitement about SkyDancing Tantra why and how it deeply empowers and transforms so many thousands of people. Highlights include the three keys to orgasmic power, the secret love channel, and moving energy into the heart. Learn how far our culture has come in accepting and embracing Tantra in the 25 years she's been a major female figurehead. Delight in Margot's endless energy as she reveals her newfound passions for moving on, art, aloneness, and exuberant, fearless aging. And hear some juicy and enlightening sensation descriptions from Margot including one where during a ritual, the man pours chocolate sauce all over his lover's breast, and then licks it off all tastefully done!

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The Three Keys to Orgasmic Energy: Dr. Patti Talks to Margot Anand of SkyDancing Tantra

Note: This Program is intended for mature audiences only!

Dr. Patti Taylor: Hi, I’m Dr. Patty Taylor.   We have an awesome show for you today.  We’re going to talk about SkyDancing Tantra, and how it can bring passion, power, and orgasmic energy into your life.

Margot Anand: Yeah, the word SkyDancing actually signifies being buoyant, being light, being ecstatic, pretty much the feeling you have after having a good orgasm.  In SkyDancing Tantra we have found a method which is probably the most complete comprehensive and advanced method existing today in the western world, and it’s a method that teaches people how to transmute their orgasmic energy.

Find out how Margot Anand, founder of SkyDancing Tantra is finding whole new levels of bliss by rediscovering a more simplified life.  You’ll hear some of Margot’s own juiciest favorite frames from her new DVD series, including the one where during a ritual; he pours chocolate sauce all over his lover’s breasts, and then licks it off.  All tastefully done, I might add.

Welcome to the expanded lovemaking show.  I’m your host, Dr. Patti Taylor, and I teach people how to make love.  Today on the show we’re talking to the founder of one of the most famous schools of Tantra in the world today as she gains new freedom for herself.  Our guest is Margot Anand, the much beloved founder and teacher of the internationally famous SkyDancing Tantra. 

Welcome, Margot.  Margot is known as an internationally acclaimed authority on Tantra.  She’s the bestselling author of the book The Art of Sexual Ecstasy, and the creator of numerous other books, CDs, and DVDs on Tantra.  She’s also a teacher and educator not just at the SkyDancing Institute, but also at Deepak Chopra’s Institute, Tony Robbins Institute, and various other conferences worldwide. 

Margot I’m pleased to have you here with us today.  I think our listeners want to know more about the power of Tantra and how to make their own lives more fulfilling, rich, juicy, and rewarding.  Also, you’re a trendsetter.  You’ve been in the public eye for many years, and I gather you’re taking off in some exciting new directions.  I think our listeners really care about what SkyDancing Tantra has to teach us, and will want to know more about why we would want o move on in life especially when we’re surrounded by the trappings of success. 

So today I want to talk to you about this.  So, number one.  What is SkyDancing Tantra?  Number two, what might people’s projections be around Tantra, and their false ideas.  And three, what it’s like to be an awakened Tantra queen who wants to move beyond that.  Margot, lets start with a few questions about what is skydancing tantra.  So, could you tell us a little bit about this Tantra that you founded at Dane SkyDancing Tantra.

Margot Anand: Yeah, the word SkyDancing actually signifies being buoyant, being light, being ecstatic, pretty much the feeling you have after having a good orgasm.  And this belongs to the lineage of Buddha Padmasambhava and Yeshe Tsogyal where the founders of Buddhist Tantra in the eighth century in India, in Tibet and in Bhutan.  Padmasambhava is a great master in the lineage of the Buddhas and Yeshe Tsogyal was the first SkyDancer.  And she was called a SkyDancer because she could fly in the sky, she could bilocate, and she could also take people by the hand and bring them to their bliss, which I can also do. 

So, that’s the word SkyDancing right there, and SkyDancing Tantra came to me magically in the various transmissions and it started the first orgasm that I had the first time I made love where I was propulsed in a realm that is beyond the body of pure light and freedom and I met my original face, the place where I knew I would be after I left this body and the place that I knew I had been before I incarnated in my physical body.  So in this place free of cultural constraints and parental education I met the light that we all are full on, and so that was my first initiation into recognizing that sexuality was going to be my path to awakening, to spiritual awakening, as a woman.  And I wanted to, I sought and looked, could I find God in the bedroom?  Did God have orgasms?  Was there a goddess next to God? 

And all these questions occupied me as I went around the world for many, many years teaching and learning and discovering with many different masters, and particularly in Asia, India, and in the South of France and in America, and I created a method that I called SkyDancing Tantra, which is a path that is basically dedicated to transforming lust into bliss.  In other words, if you are making love the normal way, you enter into what I call an explosive orgasm of release.  In other words, you ejaculate.  At least men do.  And, you know, women do too.  Some do.  But this point is when this happens repetitively it is said and I believe it is true that you don’t really transcend, you don’t transform, you don’t reach the potential, the awakened potential that making love, the energy of love making, carries within itself.  So it’s a pleasure that is quickly spent.  I always say that lovemaking is like peanuts: the more you do it, the more you want it, you know?  So it becomes almost addictive if it remains at this first level of the explosive orgasm of release. 

But in SkyDancing Tantra we have found a method which is probably the most complete comprehensive and advanced method existing today in the western world.  It’s a method that teaches people how to transmute their orgasmic energy, so that when they make love they first have to look at sexual healing; are there any wounds that they need to heal, especially us baby boomers.  We need to look back; what are the things that have aged us, what are the things that have contracted us, brought us difficulty and pain?  Those things with their traumas leave their mark in the body so we learn in SkyDancing Tantra how to fully release these traumas. 

Then in the second cycle of our year-long training, called the Love and Ecstasy Training, we learn how to approach full body orgasm and how to channel the sexual energy through what I call your “secret love channel” and which the Taoist masters called your “middle channel,” also called such in acupuncture, your “middle meridian.”  And so when people learn how to open these energy centers, these channels, and allow their sexual energy to circulate through these channels, they have radically transformed experiences of orgasm. 

So in the first few chakras it’s like the animal, the, you know, basic instinct, “I want you, you’re mine. I want to make love to you, you belong to me, without you I’m nothing. Promise me this and that.”  And of course it’s full of traps: dependency, jealousy, etcetera, etcetera.  When you move this orgasmic energy to the heart you feel surrender, you feel open, you feel as if you are falling off a plane with a parachute.  You feel a let-go you feel a merging with your partner, you feel passion with compassion.  When you transmute this orgasmic energy through your throat you let go, you express, you make sounds, you make noise, you give a color and an energy to your experience.  You communicate, you know?  Your truth, your needs, and what you feel.  And then when you transmute this orgasmic energy through your third eye, you enter into spaciousness and the energy moves beyond the boundaries of the body into what meditators feel and experience as spaciousness, you know being one with all.  And when you come to the crown you enter into the realm of ecstasy which is to stand beside your ordinary self into God-consciousness, into consciousness of the macro causal, into the connection of all that is, that is within you and all around you.  There is no more separation. 

So what SkyDancing Tantra teaches is all the modern methods in all the approaches that are known in psychology today, and in body work today, teaches everything a person needs to know to transmute lust into bliss, so that you can experience a morecum of awakening, of spiritual awakening during their lovemaking. That’s what I show people in my film, The Secret Keys to the Ultimate Love Life, and that’s what I explain in my books, the main one being The Art of Sexual Ecstasy, and it’s a wonderful method because it transforms your life.  So far I’ve worked with 40,000 around the world and I’ve started six institutes and I just signed a contract with Steve and Lokita Carter who are going to start the SkyDancing Tantra Institute in California.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well that’s very exciting, and what I’m wondering now is this SkyDancing Tantra something that really everyone can learn.  Are some people going to be better at learning it?  I’m wondering if some listeners are thinking, “Well that sounds all well and good but my husband or my wife, I don’t know.” I mean are some people more naturally gifted at this or really can everyone go and get some benefit from this.

Margot Anand: Everybody can go.  My youngest participant, believe it or not, was 15 with parental consent, and my oldest were 84.  And I have worked around the globe.  I’ve even had success with a Balinese prince who didn’t speak a word of English and I didn’t speak a word of Balinese and we had a sensational session and he got healed of his problems and his blocks.  So this is a method that is so powerful that has been so well studied.  Imagine, I have all these institutes teaching this method, which is the love and ecstasy training, over three weeks over a year, first week and then four months during which you practice, second week and then four months during which you practice, third week and then you practice again.  I have people that come from all walks of life and they are young, they are old, I have these institutes teaching this work for the last 15 years and I’m not even present to it anymore.  That means the method works.

Dr. Patti Taylor:  That’s encouraging, I’m sure our listeners are very encouraged to hear that.  What would you say would be one of the more challenging things?  I’ve read The Art of Sexual Ecstasy, for example, would opening the inner flute and finding that internal vibration, for example, be something that would take your average reader or student a while to learn, is that one of the more challenging things?

Margot Anand:  Well I’ll tell you, every method you learn of self-development, every sport you learn, every goal you set for yourself, it’s always a challenge.  If you start as a non-orgasmic woman, and you decide I want to be an orgasmic woman, you’re not just going to be an orgasmic woman just like that when you decide it.  Some people do, some people are lucky.  They fall into it because they are ready, because they are relaxed, because they have a good lover, whatever the reason.  But in most cases, what are you going to have to do?  You’re going to have to look into it, inform yourself, and practice, practice, practice.  And you’re going to have to confront the myth and the false beliefs that you have acquired in the process of growing up in this country that doesn’t teach us very healthy things about sexuality. 

One of the things is the false belief that you’re not going to get anywhere unless you’re in a couple.  Not true.  You can actually have great success if you practice this method on your own, because once you take responsibility for sexuality on your own, once you understand how you function sexually, once you learn all the different degrees of self-pleasuring, then you’re ready to understand that you are the source of your own orgasm, not what your partner does to you and how they do it.  Then the more you come to the lovemaking situation having fully mastered your inner circuitry, your inner channels, and your inner love for yourself and your inner understanding of yourself and your inner comfortability within yourself, the more pleasure there is to be gained and the less problems. 

I would say that the first challenge is for people to understand that they’re coming to a training where there might be singles and there might be couples. The second challenge is to understand that the multi-orgasmic response, which I demonstrate and show in my film in a very beautiful way, with Secret Keys to the Ultimate Love Life in DVD 3, that this multi-orgasmic response is a fantastic method, but it’s a method that people are not so used to face, which is teaching people how to give each other maximum pleasure not with penetration but manually.  The people can choose in this training to go do this in the privacy of their own bedroom and they just listen to the explanations and they watch the charts and they watch the parts of the film that we show and then they go to the privacy of their own bedroom, or they can decide to do it in the group room in which case they each create their little private, secret corner, they’re surrounded by a blanket or a mattress or something, and they have the advantage of having the trainers, you know the coaches that are right there if they encounter a problem. 

But it’s a fantastic method, you know, but once you, you know, have an orgasm as a woman you’re a different person.  You are empowered to be creative in the world because an orgasm is what is going to take you to the very root of your creativity.  But an orgasm is not just a sexual adventure; an orgasm is an energy event which can be elicited independently of the sexual context.  This is what needs to be understood.

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Well as you said, Margo, and thank you for that, and we will be getting more into your DVD for our listeners, and definitely giving them the website address, margoanand.com, so we will be getting back to that, but not all orgasms are alike, because as you said earlier was an orgasm gave you the awakening that started all of this and I would say a lot of our listeners, and people around the world, would say you’ve changed the face of the world and brought more feminine energy in.  Could you tell us maybe a little bit about how orgasms are different?

Margot Anand:  Well, if you experience an orgasm in your first chakra or in your sexual center you are going to be awakening your primal animalistic kind of instinct and all of your consciousness is going to be focused on your clitoris and you’re going to discover that there’s for orgasmic points, there’s the tip of the clitoris and the g-spot in women and there’s many more, but lets say these two.  And in men, the tip of the glands and the prostate, you know to name those four.  So when you’re just totally focused on this part of your body, which is what a majority of people do, you can have a great orgasm which is usually more, how to you say, focused on the pelvic area.  Then when you move to your heart, as I explained a minute ago, you open up another part of your being which is your heart, so you fall in love with yourself, you care for your partner, you recognize each other as one, you feel that you’re one, and it’s a heartful orgasm, it’s a heartgasm.  Then when you’re in the throat, the orgasmic experience has a lot to do with the expressive sound/ voice but it’s also being truthful, you know, and so on and so forth.  I  explained earlier you feel empowered at all levels of being so that you…what is Tantra?  Tantra is the marriage between energy and consciousness.  So when you feel the excitement, the electrical energy of excitement, the streaming energy in your body, and you attach your consciousness, your awareness, to that, say I am aware of this little streaming process in my genitals, that’s called excitement. 

Now you bring in what we also teach in the Love and Ecstasy Training which is the three keys to orgasmic power, and that is: movement, deep breathing, and deep voice/sound making.  The movement circulates the energy though the whole body, the breathing stokes the energy, amplifies the energy, amplifies the excitement.  There’s a big difference between lying quietly and breathing through your nose, and then making lots of movements, making sounds, [breathing noises] which is what we do when we have a good orgasm, right?  So we breathe deeply, we move, we make sound.  That is at the root of the orgasmic experience, being willing consciously when you start to feel pleasure to bring in these three keys to orgasmic power.  That expands your orgasm. 

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Wow.  Well, I can see why a lot of people are taking this SkyDancing Tantra training.  Would you say that people could get enlightened also then just as you did when they get into these states, is that a routine regular part?

Margot Anand:  Well, one doesn’t claim that any path will get you to enlightenment, I don’t believe in that approach.  I am not going to be the one that says to the Americans, “come to my training and you’ll get enlightened.”  There’s a lot, there’s enough gurus in the world that are doing that.  It’s not a very honest proposition because I don’t believe in recipes even though I found a method that works, and I don’t believe in recipes because everybody, every individual is unique.  For instance, I’ve had 10,000 orgasms in my life, I have the most incredible Tantric practice, I just came back from Bali where I did advance practice with a Tantric magician like you wouldn’t believe and had all sorts of extraordinary transmissions, and at the same time right now I am totally on the other side of this.  I’m like allowing myself to be a healthy 63.  I am not exercising, I’m watching movies in bed, I’m doing things I’ve never done before.  Being lazy because I work all day in clearing my life and clearing my boxes and doing all the stuff to kind of get to the next level to go into my sabbatical time.  So right now I’m like not putting makeup on, I’m not making efforts, I’m not doing diets, I’m not doing any of that stuff and it feels so good! 

I remember my time in Arica, which was a mystery school, with Oscar Ichau in New York, where I went for four years, and we all in Arica had what we call a Pig Day, and a Pig Day was a day when we were allowed to leave a mess in the kitchen sink, to not arrange our clothes, to let everything lie around, to not even get dressed in the morning, putz around the room in a bathrobe, and welcome our friends in our bathrobes, and you know like I’m doing that to some degree, you know and I love it.  I know it’s going to be short lived, I know I’m going to Paris in a couple of weeks and I’m having this conference and I’m meeting a lover in Bali again and all that but I’m just like letting it all hang out and it feels great.

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Well I wish everyone could see your face right now.  You look completely enlightened to me.  You can not convince me that you’re not enlightened by everything that just happened.  [laughter] But if you say so, we got the point, there are no guarantees, however anyone who could look at you right now would run and not walk and take SkyDancing Tantra.

Margot Anand:  Well if they do feel interested to take SkyDancing Tantra they should go to www.ecstaticliving.com.

Dr. Patti Taylor:  All right, I’m going to read them the address too because it has the ring of authenticity when I read it, so SkyDancing Tantra and all this information can be found at your website, margotanand.com, where this and the DVDs and the books and the CDs and all of Margo’s fabulous information can be discovered.

Margot Anand:  Yeah, but it’s also that I’m now passing my work onto other people, and the people that I’m teaching the training now are Steve and Lokita Carter, and they can be found at www.ecstaticliving.com.

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Right, so we will come back to that.  We’re going to take a break here and go to our kind sponsors and then we will return and find out more about SkyDancing Tantra, and even more about a birds eye view of Tantra from your very unique perspective.  We will be back in a moment.

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Dr. Patti Taylor:  We are back, and I’m D. Patti with the Expanded Love Making Show and we are talking to Margot Anand about a life of personal Tantric freedom.

Margot Anand:  Yes!

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Which sounds pretty good to me.  Before the break we were talking about what is SkyDancing Tantra.  Margot I want to ask you now about people’s projections around Tantra, and false ideas they might have about Tantra.

Margot Anand:  Well people in American think Tantra has to do with sex, and they don’t know that Tantra is an ancient path, a very holy, sacred, and secret path, and that the Sutras, which are the sacred transmissions and the oral teachings of the masters in the traditions of Tantra that started many, many centuries ago, the Sutras teach us only about ten percent of the content is about sexuality.  Ten or twenty percent.  The rest is about spiritual awakening.  Tantra is a path to awakening just like yoga or Zen, you the only difference is that it actually includes sexuality as a door to awakening, as one of the skillful means that help us wake up.  And so the projections that people have in this country is that it is basically an orgiastic occupation, that it is dirty, that it is indulgence, that you don’t talk about it, that sex is shocking.  It’s very boring it seems like I’ve been in this country forever and ever, it doesn’t seem to be moving much, so there’s this kind of undercurrent of people, there’s these wild clubs of singles and swapping and couples meeting and sex happening but in the overall media you know it’s not treated in a very open way. 

It’s actually, we’re still living in a place which is very compartmentalize, and I just wrote on a blog recently, Deepak Chopra’s blog, they asked me to contribute, and I wrote a piece on comparing sex and politics in France and America.  In America they spend 60 million dollars to try to figure out whether the spot on Monica Lewinski’s dress was actually the sperm of Mr. Clinton or not, and I say they could have spent the 60 million bringing more education to kids.  And in France Mitterand had his mistress in the government and was still living with his wife and everyone was living in peace because in France they want the politician to be a good leader and they don’t want to bother about his private life, that’s his affairs.  So anyway it’s a different country here, but I think that the projection of people is that there is a certain image, you know you should fall in love with someone, you should stay with them for the rest of your life, you should raise your family, and that’s it.  There’s no other option if you want to be a well looked upon respected citizen in this country.  So, I say not so.  And I say get off the idea that Tantra has to do with orgies and Tantra has to do with just sex, because the most extraordinary things are happening in the realm of Tantra that has very little to do with sex and all to do with meditation, and I can tell you one thing about it, which is if we meditate and we become practitioners of advanced Tantra and all the things I mentioned are moved not only in the realm of sex but beyond the realm of sex, and we become proficient mediators on the path of Tantra, we get to a frequency which is fine and high enough that we get visited by beings that are great masters and that are no longer in a physical body and they can impart us advanced teachings of all sorts, which is also sometimes what I’m fortunate enough to experience.  And so, people have no clue about these things.  But these things are wonderful, and these things are also the offerings of the Tantric path, particularly SkyDancing Tantra. 

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Well, I would like to, just out of curiosity, what kind of great being might one of these visitors look like?  Now we’re diverging a little bit, we’ll come back in a moment but…

Margot Anand:  Well, you know anybody.  If you’re perceptive enough and you tune in and you love Jesus Christ, or you love Mary Magdalene, or you love Mary, and you meditate and pray to them and you get in a really high vibration, by all likelihood, especially if you get the transmission by some initiate that can help you in your process, or some master teacher, by all likelihood they would probably appear to you or they would talk to you or they would help you or they would guide you, you know.  And if you’re on the path of SkyDancing Tantra and you lineage is connected to Buddha Padmasambhava and Yeshe Tsogyal, most likely Buddha Padmasambhava would appear.  He has appeared to me and he has guided me and you know its just an endless process, its very exciting.  I mean its very exciting what happens in the world of the beyond. 

Dr. Patti Taylor:  That is very exciting, actually.

Margot Anand:  And a good orgasm opens the door to that.  Because a good orgasm is a glimpse of the divine.  Because in orgasm we are not so far from the ecstasy of meditation, because we are beyond the ego, we’re beyond time and space, and we’re in a space where there is no ego-centered me-ness that separates things and people from each other.  So the state of bliss that is experienced in a good moment of merging and of sexual opening with your partner is very close to the state of bliss that is the mystical state.  As a state in itself it’s not so different, the difference being that orgasms are states and that states are not the final awakening, the final awakening is penetrating the very nature of consciousness which is something that is eternal, doesn’t change.  It’s not something that begins and ends. And even the many enlightenments that we can experience in many cases begin and end, because as Osho, one of my teachers said, “enlightenment begins, it’s a process it begins, but it never ends.”

Dr. Patti Taylor:  So one more quick question before we go onto your DVD, hasn’t Tantra always kind of had a bad rep?  I mean, have things, maybe they haven’t changed as much as we might have hoped, especially with someone like you, I mean really one of the first real female figureheads to come out.  I’m a little disappointed to hear that you don’t think they’ve changed maybe as much as they might have.

Margot Anand:  Well, yeah there has been a lot of changes, let’s not be too harsh here.  There’s been a lot more joy and freedom and opening happening in the realms of sexuality and a lot of heartfulness, that’s true.  But yeah, well Tantra was always the path of the shortcut for the courageous, and it also was the path of, and is the path of, crazy wisdom.  And in Bhutan one of the most revered teachers on this path is Drukpa Kunley. There is a book written on him called The Divine Madman, and he enlightened people through doing very shocking things that were often related to sexuality.  There’s a bunch of rascals out there in the path of Tantra, but they’re rascal-ness is actually used to wake people up and to give them a Zen state so that they’re not going to fall asleep on themselves. 

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Okay, well, I’ll have to go get that book, huh? [laughter] Or your book, for the slightly tamer path.  Actually your path sounds like much more fun: fabulous orgasms and visitations with the divine.  So speaking of books, I want to ask you about your DVD because my understanding is you want to change the perception people have of what is possible through yet a new vision of Tantra, where clearly you’ve made a huge mark on the world with the art of sexual ecstasy and everything that followed from that, and now you’re coming out with this DVD series. Its four hours long.  Would you tell us some information about that?

Margot Anand:  Yeah, well this DVD is extraordinary.  I’m very proud of it.  It just was the result of several things.  First, me working with Deepak Chopra on a project called mypotential.com that was managed by his daughter Mallika.  They chose a number of teachers and I was among them, and the Dali Lama was among them, and they wanted to do video casting, and people getting on the network.  It didn’t really work so we did a film together for that purpose and then they gifted me to film.  Then I put it on the shelf, I had 80 hours of film of my various interviews.  Then in meditation a voice came and told me to do this film and I resisted and resisted and then the voice insisted and gave me clues and clues and keys and finally I surrendered.  The voice guided me through this film, which is four hours.  It’s three DVDs in a box.  Each DVD has four modules that are twenty minutes each, and basically it’s the most wonderful and visual way of bringing the entire Love and Ecstasy Training to people, because its interactive.  So you can take the film, you can play it in the privacy of your own bedroom, and if you’re on a new date you can educate your friend.  Say, okay look, this is how we can breathe, this is how we can practice, this is how an orgasm happens, and this is the muscles that we use.  Then you only have 20 minutes to look, then you can go to the practice menu.  You have five minutes of recap on what the whole thing was, and then off you go.  You can do you own practice, you know?  So that’s what the film is all about.  It’s a progression of three DVDs.  One and a half hours each.  There is beautiful digital art; there is beautiful Tantric paintings and Tantric Art.  There is me teaching all over the world.  Some shots are in the Khajuraho Tantric Temples in India.  There is Deepak Chopra on the film.  There is Tony Robbins on the film.  It’s a most beautiful film, I’m very proud of it.

Dr. Patti Taylor:  I understand that you wrote this yourself, you directed it, you designed it, you did the art, I mean this is not just Margot Anand’s film.  This is your creation through and through.

Margot Anand:  Yeah it’s actually my legacy.  It was a very expensive production.  I hired a team of six people and a project director and I supervised everything and I edited things 15 times and I chose the letters and I chose the graphic art.  Talking about Tantra, it was a very Tantric thing because for me Tantra and orgasm and sex and love leads us to the root of our creativity.  If we are not doing something creative, we’re not alive.  I entered to this ultimately unknown path because I have never produced a film and I have never done a film before, and here I was creating an entire production line and making decisions about something I didn’t know, but that I would have to pay for.  So that was the Zen gone.  I have to decide on things I’ve never done before and I have to pay the bills.  So I did this beautiful film that has incredible music in it, and I am very grateful for the participation of, there have been maybe sixty people who participated in this production.  There is also testimonials from all my students, spontaneously given.  There is parts of workshops that you can see in there.  The third DVD is all about sex, you know how to become multi-orgasmic.  Men and women talk, students, people who practice SkyDancing.  Then there is all the different positions of love, and what they do and why you would like them and not like them, so it’s a pretty complete approach.  Now you don’t have to read a 450 page book, you can just snuggle up and watch this movie.  It’s much more fun.

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Well right, of if you have to wait a year before you take the Love and Ecstasy Training you can get this first of you can give it as a gift to your partner if you just met them and you want to drop a few hints.

Margot Anand:  It’s a great honeymoon gift.  My friends are buying it a lot for honeymoons when their children get married.

Dr. Patti Taylor:  There you go.  So we’re going to take another break to support our sponsors.  This is Dr. Patti and I’m here with Margot Anand and we’ll be right back.

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Dr. Patti Taylor:  We’re back.  I’m Dr. Patti and we’re talking to Margot Anand about a life of personal Tantric freedom.  Before the break we were talking bout people’s projections about Tantra and their false ideas.  I want to ask you, Margot, now about what it’s like to be an awakened Tantra queen who wants to move beyond that.  That’s almost an oxymoron, isn’t it?  To be so awake and then to be so aware of like all the trappings and stuff, so what is that like? 

Margot Anand:  Well, you know, the process of awakening means dropping:  dropping the excess luggage.  As you progress on this path its not always easy because you confront the things you love the most and you have to let them go and you have to be reminded of impermanence.  The process of the mystics is not this, not that.  You arrive at a certain place that you desired.  Like for instance in my case I met one of my most influential teacher, Osho, when I was quite young and I had signed a contract for my second book actually with a major French publisher, I switched to English later.  So he went on and on telling me about how India would not be impressed success, and the glitz and glitter of the world wouldn’t mean much to me, and the ecstatic states and the awakened states was really going to be what was going to draw me.  At that time, which was twenty five years ago, I listened to him, sitting at his feet in India and I thought, “ah, baloney!  I’m going to be an exception and I’m going to be the one that is going to be successful and in the world and enlightened.”  Then I had to go through this long and circumvallated path of fulfilling my sacred contract with existence by teaching and teaching and teaching and being obsessed about teaching and more teaching everywhere.  In the end I remember how many times I had written a book and gotten paid a huge advance and I would turn around when this thing was done and I would not feel like I was any happier, or I was anymore enlightened, or I was just basically feeling very tired.  I didn’t feel that my spiritual dimension had moved on iota.  So I would say that freedom is becoming once again my ultimate value, and freedom means that I have to find the core of myself, and I have to find the joy of being myself whether I’m in a relationship or not in a relationship, whether I’m poor, whether I’m rich, whether I’m in America, whether I’m in France, whether I’m pushing paper, whether I’m reading a book, or whether I’m making love or whether I’m not making love.  There is a core state of consciousness, not even a state, there is a core essence of our being, of our Buddha self, which does not get affected by any of the things that are happening on the periphery.  That is the true awakening, and that is the true mindfulness and the important part that we want to touch.  That’s what we touch and we look for and we embody when we get to be 60 years and beyond, because the trappings lose their importance.

Dr. Patti Taylor:  So you are making a change actually.  You are handing over the day to day ship, the navigation of the ship to 35 people that you’ve trained, which I would imagine must be a little difficult since who knows your material better than you?

Margot Anand:  No, actually I have done it to 200 people in Europe.

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Okay.  We’re going to take another break to support our sponsors.  This is Dr. Patti and I’m here with Margot Anand, and we’ll be right back.

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Dr. Patti Taylor:  Hi, this is Dr. Patti Taylor and I’m with Margot Anand.  We’re talking about what it’s like to be an awakened Tantra queen.  Who wants to move beyond that?

Margot Anand:  Well it’s a little tiresome to be always labeled a Tantra queen.  It was an expression that was coined by my publishers for publicity purposes and to put on the back of my jackets of my books, and can you still be a Tantra queen at 63?  I wonder.  [laughter]  I think moving beyond for me simply means letting go of old attachments and old habits.  For instance right now I’m completely clearing the clutter out of my life and I’ve gotten rid of an office and 3 storage units and U-Haul trucks full of stuff and 60 boxes of file folders and I’m getting ready to go on a sabbatical for a year and I’m starting by working 50% less this year and next year I hope not at all.  That is just going to create space for the new and the unexpected.  That’s what I’m hoping.  It’s not like I’m retiring, but I want to do other things.  I’m a painter and I’m a film-maker and I love to be creative but I don’t love to repeat myself so I pass my work onto other people.  They are doing very well with it, and so I’m going to teach a little but less, and right now, moving beyond the Tantra queen means moving beyond Tantra as a search for the perfect orgasm.  It’s moving into Tantra as a path to enlightenment and awakening. 

Dr. Patti Taylor:  So how does it feel in your body, the outer world is changing?  What are you noticing in the inner Margot as a result?  Does it feel different?

Margot Anand:  Well there has been a lot of letting go, and strangely enough also has felt very, very good in my body. The ability to let go has been greater than before so the capacity to reach orgasmic peaks or orgasmic depth is happening faster than before, to my great surprise, because in the case of many women that I’ve worked that were complaining that after a certain age, it takes longer.  But I think that the multi-orgasmic response session and all the Love and Ecstasy Training, opening your inner channels sessions have helped in eliciting more openness.  As a result the body is more relaxed and as a result the responses are more easily accessible.  So I could say that’s what the case is.

Dr. Patti Taylor:  By the way I’ve seen your paintings on your website, which is www.margotanand.com and they are truly astonishing.  So I can understand why you would want to paint.  They’re amazing.

Margot Anand:  Yeah I painted a Yoni tree, or a tree of life, which had a story that was amazing because I went to Cambodia on a visit to the temples of Angkor Wat and I visited one of the great temples of the kings where the stones were falling apart and this huge tree was growing over the stones of the temple, and it was so big that nobody could cut it down or do anything with it, and so I photographed it.  It was so big that I had to take two photos: one of the roots and the gate to the temple with the tree all around it, and one of the top of the tree.  It was a tree erection.  It was a symbol of the great, proud, masculine member in erection.  Then I cut out on the computer, I cut out the entrance to the temple and I stuck a Yoni in that entrance and then I printed it very light, and then I painted over it and this became my tree of life, and that’s one of the paintings that I sell. 

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Oh, I think that’s on your website. 

Margot Anand:  It probably is.  Probably. 

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Speaking of art, we’re running out of time.  We just have time for one last question so let’s make it a really good one.   Is there something from your DVD that is just this really wonderful, fun thing that you love to replay over and over in your mind.

Margot Anand:  Yes.  I actually replay it every time I give a talk about my film because they are my favorite shots.  The first part of the introduction is very explanatory and interesting and it’s got Deepak Chopra and Tony Robbins telling how this work of SkyDancing Tantra can be helpful.  Then there is a part in there about filming the Khajuraho Temples in India.  Probably the only Tantric film today where the teacher is in front of the temples in real location showing all the statues of the people making love.   Then I love the part on the sensory awakening ritual where he drops hot chocolate sauce on her breasts and he licks it off her.  The camera work is great.  Then I love the multi-orgasmic full body response segment in which he gives her an orgasm manually and then moves the energy through her chakras and arrives at the third eye at the crown and this light emerges out of her and then I say, “This is talking to God.”  I love that part, it’s very sexy, and that part where the man says how it is to be multi-orgasmic and how he gets to love his partner a lot more deeply when she gives him multi-orgasmic sessions and how she is a goddess to him.  Then I love the part about the dance of seduction, where you see how the woman becomes a goddess and is surrounded by veils and comes into the living room and undoes her veils and fully be with herself and love herself and reveal her own inner beauty to him.  That’s very beautiful.  It’s like she’s the epitome of the divine feminine.  Finally I love the eye-gazing meditation, it’s a beautiful one where you drop into a tunnel in the eyes of your partner and you become a Buddha and you dissolve into the universe. 

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Well I think we’re going to leave our listeners on that note.  You can get that at www.margotanand.com.  Also you can find out about the Love and Ecstasy Trainings at ecstaticliving.com.  Thank you Margot Anand so much for giving us your cutting edge wisdom and energy as always.  This is Dr. Patti Taylor and we’re very glad you’ve joined us today. 

Margot Anand:  What is your next show?

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Our next show is we’re going to visit with Dr. Gary Shubach and female ejaculation. 

Margot Anand: Woohoo!

Dr. Patti Taylor:  So onward and upward…or outward, or whatever direction it goes, I guess.  So until then, I thank all our listeners for being with us.  You can always write me at www.personallifemedia.com, well visit me there, and write me at patti@personallifemedia.com.  So I remain yours an ever extended love, ‘till next I see you.  Bye for now. 

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