Episode 73: Adult Films (Part One) with Dr. Gary Schubach

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Have you ever wondered about adult films? Who watches them? Are there differences between them? Are all of them pornography, or can some of them be educational, or turn you on, even if you’re not into porn? Can they expand your consciousness? Here today to discuss this fascinating topic of Conscious X-Rated Adult Films is our guest, Dr. Gary Schubach, an Associate Professor at the Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality who lectures on at various universities and institutes worldwide. One of his lecture specialties is the uses of media to express human sexuality.

Learn what do we mean by the term porn films? And what is the difference between porn films and sex education films? How is each term used by the public? What are Sexual Patterning Films? Find out about Gary’s top ten Adult Film picks of all time, and some of his favorite scenes. Find out which films men might like, and which, the women might go for, and why. Join as we discuss women’s issues around pornography, and other social and relationship issues connected to X-rated films. Are adult films good for a relationship? For society? Listen in as we wrap up this juicy show!

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This program is intended for mature audiences only

Dr. Patti Taylor: Welcome to the expanded love making show, I'm your host Dr. Patti Taylor at expandedlovemaking.com and I teach you how to make exquisite love.  This is part one of a two part series.

Have you ever wondered about adult films, who watches them, are there differences between them, or are all of them pornography or can some of them be educational or turn you on even if you are not into porn. Can they expand your consciousness. Here today to discuss this fascinating topic of conscious X-rated adult films is our guest Dr. Gary Schubach

Gary Schubach: It was estimated that over $4 billion  a year worth of adult films are sold each year and growing and the emergence in the Internet has even created more opportunities for both commercial porn films and for homemade porn films. The idea behind  the sexual agony of films is that while it's entertaining, its primary function is to teach.  There animated films like Disney but except there sexual characters and they are sexually explicit and they are very very autistic they are very very very well done.  You know in my experiences in term of men its fairly selective a lot of men will not prefer these films to the more traditional mean shots and those kinds of things.  I would say  probably the one that seem to do the best with man would probably be « Michael Nim »movie shocks which are really his master piece

Dr. Patti Taylor: Hi Gary Welcome to the show

Gary Schubach: Thank you. Patti it's really good to be here with you today

Dr. Patti Taylor: Yes, it's great to have you here.  So Gary who is also Doctor G.  I chose you specifically for your expertise in this area.  Let me tell you a little bit about Gary.  Gary is an associate professor at the  institute for the advanced study of human sexuality who lectures at various universities and institutes worldwide.  One of his lecture specialties is the  uses of media to express human sexuality.  He is the founder of the Website Doctorg.com which offers articles videos and products which he is personally elected to help men and women to fulfill hotter more fulfilling love lives   among his specialties is an entire section devoted to review of his favored X-rated adult films his store also specializes in sexual enhancement products, we are in luck cause that will be the topic of part two of the show.  Dr Schubach also has a private practice coaching on intimacy and   sexual issues by email person and over the phone So I am so happy we have Dr. Garry with us today We have a phenomenal  show planned, I have been so excited that I am already quavering just thinking about all the scenes from all the films we are going to talk about So, today we will talk to Gary about adult films, what kinds there are, what Gary recommends and how we can you them to enhance our own abilities to become better love makers.  Well lets get started. Gary, I' d like to have an overview of the filed of adult films.

Gary Schubach: It's a large subject, it was estimated that over $4 billion  a year worth of adult films are sold each year and growing and the emergence in the Internet has even created more opportunities for both commercial porn films and for homemade porn films.  People just simply make them at home and post them on the Internet so its a huge huge subject and involves mil and mil of people around the world

Dr. Patti Taylor: OK, now you only have a select number of films on your Website so clearly you have decided to narrow down that film. What categories of films do you offer. 

Gary Schubach: I guess I guess the way that I would define them are there are traditional adult porn as we use that term I have always had a little problem with the term pornography.  I mean what it means literally when you get the dictionary  It comes from the Greek Porno which means writing about prostitutes.  So that's not exactly a descriptive of what they are and as one supreme court justice said long time ago I can't define what a porn film is, but I can tell you when I see one.  So it can be such a broad range, there are people who consider art work hanging in the museums as pornography or consider television shows that might have just  simple light nudity as pornography and then what we more traditionally consider as pornography which is very kind of hardcore explicit sexual images  « people fucking » , or what we call in the porn industry as meat shots which are pretty long consistent focus shots on genitalia or blow jobs or.. And that's probably 99% of  the porn films that come out are those kind of films with meat shots and kind of this traditional look.  Three  prepositions in common  shot that's to say in the porn industry

Dr. Patti Taylor: Ok, so we are talking about pornography here and I noticed in your Website and you are a professor of media expression of adult films.  Do you have different categories of adult films would like to tell us what those categories are then we can kind of go deeper into what they are then maybe our listeners might figure out if there is one of these categories or more can be interesting to them

Gary Schubach: There are varieties of different what you can call categories , one is of course is fetish films that involve appeal to the mind and the visual  when we talked we mentioned Michael Nim is master of that kind of film, and before he got into making that adult of film he was a fashion photographer so he came from that kind of a background so he be betrays woman and the sexual act in a very stylized way with costumes and color latex and high heals, things that will catch people visual attention and also they are very stylized in the sense of if will change scenes or fade into another seen usually no more than  10 seconds or so whereas the more traditional one will hold a meat shot seems like forever sometimes 5 or 10 minutes seems like forever.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well I love Michael Nin and fetish film, so we will definitely come back to him, he is amazing, what else there are sexual patterning you might tell us about those

Gary Schubach: I don't know if I would consider sexual patterning afilms as porn films, it gets the use of that word pornography and porn. 
The idea behind sexual patterning is its primary function is to teach. It is either  It actually puts out suggestions for people or like some of the ones you ve seen it may not have a teaching message  but its putting the images that are designed for people to use to pattern to see these images in a saddle way
and to use them themselves in their sex play.  I give you an example, when I was young when I was 18 and these things were just starting to come  into theatres I would go see the « Alex Steranzi « Films which are classics because nobody ever thought me how to make love, I didn't know how to eat pussy those films which were quite beautiful the Strenzi films were strikingly beautiful for their times. Were taught me I saw the films and went tried it out it was the best sex education available at  that time.  So in a patterning film we are trying to put up behavior that people will not just be entertained by but would copy the behavior themselves.  Whether we put the message you know actually do this or whether watch an copy the behavior.  And a lot of, some porn stars like Candid Royal and Nina Heartly have gone from making traditional porn to making patterning films.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Ok so there basically sex education films and so we watch them and then we go and copy them basically if we want to.

Gary Schubach: That's it, but the only difference I would  make is maybe a 3rd cat of sex education films are actually teaching in the film as opposed to just doing the behavior and having the people model it

Dr. Patti Taylor: Are there any other categories of film that we are to know about

Gary Schubach: I can't think of any, cuz there is a lot of subcategories to different kind of fetish films One thing I found sometimes they like films to their personal tastes, like I have certain activities that I enjoy sexually  and I will sometimes collect films that I particularly grade in terms of their entertainment values relevant in terms of some particular area of sexuality that's a turn on for me.

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Like what?, can you give us an example;

Gary Schubach: I like GangBang films

Dr. Patti Taylor: Aha, ok 

Gary Schubach: That's just one example.  I tell you what I really like, here is for the listeners, here is some you may not know about  There are really stylish Japanese animated films sometimes there call Animated xxx or IME and sometimes also known as uhm..

Dr. Patti Taylor:  The words doesn't matter just describe it

Gary Schubach: there are animated films like Disney but except they are sexual characters and they are sexually explicit and they are very very autistic and they are very very very well done. 

Dr. Patti Taylor: Wow so there are bunch of amazing thongs out there.  Do you talk about some of these things on your website.

Gary Schubach: I haven't yet gotten into the animated films, this is something I get aware of in the last 6 months and I'm starting to save favorite of mine.  The terms I was looking for before is HENTAI if you look under that term you'll find them

Dr. Patti Taylor: OK we are going to take a break and then we r gonna come back, you have reviewed and your actually quite famous for the list of the greatest movies of all time Please stay with us, I' m Dr. Patti Taylor and I' m here with Dr. Gary Schubach: you can learn more about the Dr Gary Schubach at doctorg.com

Dr. Patti Taylor:  We are back and we are talking about conscious X-rated adult films with Dr Gary So before the break we talked about the field as a whole  and now I would like to talk about some of your favorites from each category and what makes them your favorites

Gary Schubach: well, it's an interesting question and of course we are talking we are talking about really ten magnificent films,  these are the best of the best out of the hundred of thousands that have been made, these are the best and most people would agree with me on that although some people would have a personal favorite that would not be on the list.  One thing I'd say about all these films except one of them, the plot if they do have a plot is not essential, it really is filler between the sex scenes , and that's the case in most films.  The one exception to this list is the opening of Misty. Beethoven which is basically the my fair lady story... It is the big million story in adult films. Just like in my fair lady is what we call a totally integrated movie musical just as Misty Beethoven is totally integrated adult film.  The tension between.. Lies too little and Professor Hagen as in the movie musical which takes place in the porn film, the dialogue is essential to set up the conflict in the sex scene.  So it's quite unique, the analogy is my fair lady cause it is the porn my fair lady and it is a fully integrated movie adult film.  The plot and the sex scene are essential to each other, You can't have one without the other.

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Is the sex an essential part of that, I mean is there like...what's the favorite scene from that for you?

Gary Schubach: Well, there is of the course the scene that's the parallel between the one in my fair lady when they've gone to the ball and when she is finally has convinced that everyone that she is really authentic that she is really a countess, in adult films there is a scene where she goes to the ball and she convinces them that she is really a high priced courtesans and its a really wonderful scene it's beautiful its well filmed the music is spectacular.  It has lots of classical musical that they didn't have to get the rights to.  The musical track adds an awful lot to that film as it does to many good porn films,
the filming is very beautiful, the production values are very high, lots of cameras

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Wow that's sounds really beautiful, I see you have here « House of dreams » and again Andrew Blake one of those very visual filmmakers.  I love Andrew Blake, again like Michael Min very into the fantasy, into the visual.  I have to say that is really my kind of a film.

Gary Schubach: Yeah, and I agree Blake like Nim was fashion photographer before he started making film.  So he had an eye for woman and how he portrays woman House of Dreams is my favorite Blake film and its the house that's the plot, it's the common thread in Hollywood, is the thread that holds the sex scenes together and sex scenes in house of dreams they have no interconnection particularly between them but they are just gorgeous scenes some of the finest scenes ever filmed

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Do you find that there are certain of these 10 in the great recommended list that woman like more than man;

Gary Schubach: I think « Candid Royal's Three daughters »   is a woman's favorite I think there have been a number of studies showing that.  It is a woman film.  And It is an excellent film for any genre I mean if even didn't have sex scenes in it.  If it was soft core  if they'd softcored it still would be a good film.

Dr. Patti Taylor:  And what makes it.. Can you give us a scene from Candid Royal that would make it so amazing for man and for woman.

Gary Schubach: Well, it's the inner relationship between the mother and the three daughters it flows really naturally and you get a sex positive view of a family and of young woman growing to maturity with the support of a parent that you don't see in any other films.  There's some straight films that deal with that but in an adult film you don't see anything that approaches that.

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Ok, so but how about for the explicit sexual scenes

Gary Schubach: there are not what we call meat shots, and they don't have that long focus on genitals but it's fully explicit the scenes are like in a Nim or Blakes movies, they flow the music is integral to what makes them work.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So there are lots of lovemaking scenes and woman with woman and man with man and all that kind of stuff.

Gary Schubach: And you don't see a lot of man with man

Dr. Patti Taylor: Oh I'm Sorry, Men with women

Gary Schubach:  in porn films, I mean there is a whole genre but not in the straight films its almost the kiss of the death.

Dr. Patti Taylor: OK, But What about men, what are these films in your top 10 do the men seem to really go crazy for

Gary Schubach: I think in my experiences interm of men it is fairly selective.  A lot of men will not prefer these films to the more traditional meat shots and those kinds of things.  I would say probably the most of the list the one that seem to do the best with men is Michael Nim movie Shock that's really his master piece.

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Aha

Gary Schubach: I think you' ve probably seen that.  Its long but not one minute  too long,  I mean really very long film but jst superb it have lots of fetish images and stuff that guys seem to like

Dr. Patti Taylor:  and can you give us, describe a scene of that for us

Gary Schubach: well there s a whole sequence they have with the Budda like characters, a Budda like characters and he has all these gorgeous woman on the scenes and he goes from one fantasy to another with each of these woman, that whole sequence seem to be quite popular.  Also the Tiffany  xx got a really good penetration with Peter North and can't remember who the  other the male character is  .  And that's about the best you find anywhere

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Wow that seems pretty hot, So let talk about your movie, you just came out with a new movie yourself aren't you?.

Gary Schubach: It just coming out finally, I shot this few years ago. It's taking a while for it to come out.  It is an educational film, its not a porn film, it's Dr Suzan block and I, and I' m doing the hands on, and another associate of ours is narrating what I' m doing, and there is point of time when Dr Block is taking the Control.  And its really intersting feedback between her and the women who's been done, in terms of the communication of women telling between her and Dr Block what she wants, exactly what she wants, and when she doesn't get it, get a corrector and get her to give what she wants.

Dr. Patti Taylor: and the Art and Passion of the G spot and Female Ejaculation

Gary Schubach: That's it.

Dr. Patti Taylor: That's right and you can see a preview of this on your website.  Is that correct

Gary Schubach: we have a trailer, what we call a trailer or a preview on that and actually most of our major films have trailers.  I really believe that  people should get a chance to look for free before they buy

Dr. Patti Taylor: me too

Gary Schubach: I m very proud of the films we carry, and they are unconditionally guaranteed if anyone just doesnt like one for any reason I' ll give them  their money back

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well this is very good  this is giving me definetly the sense there is a wide variety of different kinds of films you can get there educational, just pure pornography, fetish work and kind of movies that you can go to your website really pick and choose.  So we' r gonna take another break and when we come back what I wanna do is kind of find out how we can use these films to really expand our consiousness and kind of incoprate this into being better lovers.  Do Stay with us,  I wanna make few points before I take a break.  first of all I wanna say that Dr.  Gary Schubach has another dynamite show with us Episode 7.  Which is our  famoust Squirt and Squiring Podcast Real Female ejaculations and Female orgasms wich is an amazing show, So if you just wanna check out that really fun podcast, Pleease go check it out.  So we will be right back .  This is Dr. Patti Taylor.  And if you wanna check out  Gary Schubach:  website go to  www. DoctorG.com

Dr. Patti Taylor: Ok we are back, this is Dr. Patti Taylor, and we are talking about conscious X-rated adult films with Dr.Gary Schubach.  And, I just wanted to say that for those of you who don't have apen and paper and aren't really fast writers.  We will provide the links for some of the stuff in our blog and the rest of it you van just get from the transcripts to this show on Expanded Love Making  and the transcripts to this show on personallifemedia.com.  You can capture all the info here and you can also just go to DoctorG.com and have some fun on this website cuz thre s so many articles and I think once you get there it s reallyeasy to navigate around and find all these top 10 list and everything.  And Gary personal recommendation on today are really on the transcripts and we will blog aboutit too,  So lets continue about using these films to expand our consciousness.  Obviously, what we see in films one way or another does impact us, it impact our consciousness, we model, we being listeners it impacts us in a number of ways.  How do you think this impzct us in term of the stereotypes of women?.

Gary Schubach:   there is a variety of ways.  The porn films, I am sad to say, often reinforce what I consider to be a dysfunctional view of woman.  like I said that there ofter three potions in cam shots, they way understate the female response cycle.  They make this assumption that woman are just all turned on and that they lit their pussies for few seconds.  And they are gonna be ready to go.  So, I don't think those are particularly models and in fact may reinforce dysfunctional

Dr. Patti Taylor:  I am glad you said that.  Oh yeah.. right there not particularly accurate; are they

Gary Schubach: Not at all

Dr. Patti Taylor: Yeah, Thank you

Gary Schubach: But then Then we have the films we talked about the educational one.  The only problem we have with the educational ones if you play them when you are making love, they are destructing, because you have to concentrate, in some level you have to concentrate on what they are saying. But then there are is a nice in between, there is films like «lovers guide to address sexual techniques» which is I think the best general adult sex education film ever made and certainly the most sales and copies by far.  Its the kind of film where the music is great, the background music is great, if you weren't listening to what they were saying the thing is still visually beautiful it will make a nice background to making love.  The music is good and if you only see the first 10 minutes even if you play it, you own a copy and you play it 30 times, you will get it.  Sooner or later you will get everything that they are saying.

Dr. Patti Taylor: well thats a pretty major endorsement

Gary Schubach: it's a great film I faught to have for year to have that released on DVDs in the US.  We have an exclusive on it right now on the US

Dr. Patti Taylor:   What else, Their are some films that do promote positive stereotypes

Gary Schubach:  You saw «liquor love » last week, I think i ve seen every film obviously because of my work, I saw every film on Gspot and female ejaculation.  As far as I'm concerned, in terms of entertainment value, «liquor love» is head and shoulders above anything else its been made so far

Dr. Patti Taylor: it s a phenomenal film. Absolutely, exquisite, beautiful, fun, entertaining, it s just so worth the price of the admission.  You know it's a celebration of life, love and everything in it, and women, just a truly phenomenal experience .

Gary Schubach:  And this filmmaker, just like I mentioned with Nim and Blake

Dr. Patti Taylor: it' s about female ejaculation I wanna add

Gary Schubach: Absolutely, and it's all  woman too.  It's an all woman film, it's woman talking about woman's issues.  And you know, like I mentioned before, this filmmakers his former he filmed «Dense ».  Filming Dense is close to filming human sexuality, it's about the movements of body and spit bodies in space and time.  So people who shoot dance usually  much better than shooting human sexuality. So its quite btdl that way, its beautiful in its use of background colors and foreground colors and framing of images is really quite extraordinary. 

Dr. Patti Taylor: And I just love that the woman who did it, so proud, just who they were modeled, their own pride and their own bodies, and that's to me also spoke to me in a very deep level.

Gary Schubach: Another film like that that is superb is the O-tapes which is somewhat sort of films all woman talk about women's issues, but shot very beautifully by a Hollywood director with traditional Hollywood credits

Dr. Patti Taylor:  Ok great.  So there are some things out there.  I also wanna say I think there is a place for traditional porn.  I do think that sometimes woman do like hardcore porn.  And I dont think all porn is bad.  There are woman that like porn and I think sometimes it can be just a fun thing to watch some porn.  And you know, I think judging things, you know, porn can be a problem if you get addicted to it so can food, so I dont wanna fall into the trap that porn is bad, its what you do with it when it's misused. So I just wanted to make that point too.

Gary Schubach:  I wanna reinforce that.  I see this all the time.  Particularly with man, but also to some extent with woman.  Who won't or can't, i dont even like to use the word can't, don't get turned on, unless they put these images on and compulsively watch these kinds of images on a daily basis.  And you know I defend to the death peoples' right to make these films and to watch them,   but I do think we have to be honest about when people are substituting interpersonal relationships for these distant images, these non personal kinds of images.

Dr. Patti Taylor: That's true, but you know they can be used for.  I know of a married couple who actually I worked with long ago, and they had a crisis i their relationship where they have been married for 20 years, they had never been with another couple,  you know they had young children .  They didn't want to stray, but they reached that tension point, so they discovered porn.  And they find that it was thier way of having outside experiences without having to stray.  And it actually, they both came to me and said Patti would you please do a show on Porn sometime because it saved our marriage and now we watch porn.  First it was my husband who went and did it behind my back He's gotten me ito it and now we do it together.  And honestly we don't wanna stray anymore.  I just kind of relating that on their behalf this is a true story

Gary Schubach: You know one that I remember, is I had a client not long ago, where the wife was very upset because she found the husband watching gay porn.  And he had no interest in actually going out and doing it or being in the gay lifestyle or doing what would be necessary to make that kind of interaction happen.  But he found himself interested and curious in the Genre, and you know I tried to make them see that this kind of curiosity is quite normal, is quite reasonable, and it 's different from acting ironic.  It's entirely  different. 

Dr. Patti Taylor: So you know, I guess porn is like a cookie.  I mean it's what you do with it, It can be a wonderful thing or it's something that you would wanna just explore or do something wonderful just like anything else in life.

Gary Schubach:  Yeah, and a lot of where it made a problem is as a result of people's beliefs that they grow up with about it.  You know the Church things like that not the activity itself.  I see that a lot particularly with woman.  Is just a devotion to the Genre without so much what's being depicted.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well, we're coming to a close, I am wanting to know if you have any thoughts, that you want to share or ponder before we brought this show to an end. 

Gary Schubach: Well, you know I just I have tried to and I will continue to try to encourage the pron industry to improve their products, to have better production values, to be more focused and do focus group on woman on their product.  To treat it on a way similar in a way to Hollywood studios do.  So I've been after them about that and I will continue to be. 

Dr. Patti Taylor: OK, great, any last inspiring words

Gary Schubach: Have Fun, Enjoy Sex Have fun, love each other.

Dr. Patti Taylor: OK, very very simple. Well, with those  beatiful words, love each other we're going to bring this show to a close.  Thank you so much Dr G.

Gary Schubach:  Thank you Patty.  It's always a pleasure being here with you

Dr. Patti Taylor:    It's a pleasure being here with you too Gary