Episode 42: Looking Younger: Robert Jones, Make Up Artist to the Stars
Looking Younger, makeovers that make you look as young as you feel, with make up artist to the stars, author Robert Jones . In this episode of Beauty Now, learn the make up tips from this celebrity make up artist On a budget? We still want to look great and you can with these knock them out and wow them tips from Robert. Even if you have all the money you can spend there are tips for everyone. Get a pencil, and learn with this guru on anti-aging without breaking the bank. Brows, lashes, lips and foundation is key. Tune in and learn from the best.
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Teri Struck: I'm Teri Struck, host of “Beauty Now” for PersonalLifeMedia.com. I host a weekly podcast on all things beauty. Don’t miss the podcast on neck lift, lasers, breast aug, lashes, Dr. Perricone on skin, eating for beauty, and many more. Today, we have Robert Jones, a published author whose latest book is “Looking Younger.” Who doesn’t want to look younger?” I know all of our beauty now, listeners, want to look younger.
Robert Jones: I think one of the biggest problems for women nowadays in dealing with make-up in trying to look younger is that women are inundated with tons and tons and tons of products. Knowing what to buy is very, very hard. That’s why in “Looking Younger,” I spend an entire chapter, quite a large chapter, on kind of going over the different products, who they're best for, what you might be looking for when you're looking for that product, and how to best help you choose the products that is going to best for what you need.
Just as your hair goes gray, it loses pigment and that’s how it goes gray. Your skin does the same thing as well. You lose color to your skin as you age. Unfortunately, you get more spot but not all over, you start to lose it. So one of the most flattering things you can do for yourself most youthful is to pop some color and add some color to your face with your blush. I find that a lot of women tend to choose a blush which is too dark. A good rule of thumb is never choose a blush that’s any darker than what you flush to. So if you were to run around the block or get over exerted to shade you flush to, you don’t want anything darker than that.
You can never go wrong with full, luscious, glossy, and sexy lips. Gloss will make your lips looks fuller. One of the things that happens, once again, is when we get over 12 is we lose sight in our lips. Also a little more colorful as we age, a little brighter, just to add color back to our face, almost like as we're doing with our blush. So your lips and your cheeks are two places you can really add color and life back to your face. If you see a young girl that wants to go [xx] are immediately with a lot of the lines they're coming out with a lot more natural shades that have a hint of color but aren’t overpowering. That’s because that is actually kind of a trend – lips that don’t jump out at you but still add color and life.
Teri Struck: Welcome, Robert.
Robert Jones: Thank you. It's good to be with everybody.
Teri Struck: Thanks for joining us today. Because this is a podcast and we're going to be listening, you are an expert in make-up. Is that correct?
Robert Jones: Yes, I am. It will depend on your definition of expert, but I think I am.
Teri Struck: Well, if you think you are, tell us how you became an expert.
Robert Jones: From the years and years and years of actually being in the industry, working with celebrities, working with magazines, but most of all, working with real women. One of the things that sets me apart from other make-up artists that are in the industry is I'm really great in making real women look themselves but look more beautiful and look younger. So it's just actually years of practice and actually doing it. I have a really strong art background so I use a lot of the basic principles of that even in what I do.
Teri Struck: So if a real woman were to come to you and she's listening to this podcast, we want to get the most tips we can get for “Beauty Now” listeners, how would a woman start?
Robert Jones: Well, first of and I'd have to say, it's in making great choices. I think one of the biggest problems for women nowadays in dealing with make-up in trying to look younger is that women are inundated with tons and tons and tons of products. If you walk into a department store and you're walking to the beauty counter, they're just bombarding you with products after product after product. If you go to even a drugstore, there are so many brands now at the drugstores, at Target, and knowing what to buy is very, very hard. That’s why in “Looking Younger,” I spend an entire chapter, quite a large chapter, on kind of going over the different products, who they're best for, what you might be looking for when you're looking for that product, and how to best help you choose the product that is going to be best for what you need.
So one of the first things I would look out with a woman is her foundation and concealer. What we need to think about with foundation and concealer, is first of, we need to think about skin type. Are you oily or are you dry? Are you combinational? We need to choose the foundations that can be best serve your skin type.
Teri Struck: That is so hard. How do women even begin to choose that?
Robert Jones: Well, the first thing would be to determine your skin type. Are you dry? Are you oily? Are you combinational? Based on that, that is going to nail down what you need in a foundation.
Teri Struck: What's your favorite foundation?
Robert Jones: It's hard to say my favorite foundation because foundation for me is very, very personal. That’s why in the book, I got to two different types. There's everything from a liquid-to-cream, to a cream-to-powder, to minimal make-up, which is very popular now. All of them have good aspects to them. All of them can give you beautiful flawless skin, which is one of the most important things to looking younger because not just fine lines are the biggest perception of age. Actually, there were studies done and skin discoloration is the biggest perception of age. So having discolored skin or uneven skin tone makes people perceive you're older more than even wrinkles or fine lines do.
So all of the types of foundation can give you great result if you pick the right one for what you're trying to achieve. For instance, if you choose a liquid foundation, which is the most common, it can work for anybody. It gives you coverage and you can build the coverage. But if you're someone that wants more coverage because your goal is for a more flawless complexion, a cream-to-powder or something with more whipped cream like [xx] type consistency will give you more coverage. Or, if you're someone that just wants to look more even but doesn’t want to feel like you're wearing a lot of make-up, a minimal foundation is a great choice for you. So it's determining what you need and what you want.
I love foundations from, God, almost everybody. L’Oreal makes a great one. Bobbi Brown makes savvy foundation or Mercier [sp] makes great foundation, [xx] makes great foundation. Not only do you have to think about what you need, but for a lot of women especially these days, you got to think about budget. I would say, though, that one of the best things to spend money on would be foundation and concealer, if you're going to splurge. That would be my splurge.
Teri Struck: I agree, a hundred percent agree. Tell us about dark circles. How do you cover those? What's the best advice?
Robert Jones: [xx] circle is choosing the right shade of concealer, depending on your skin tone and the shade of your dark circles. If it has blue to it, you're going to need something with a bit of yellow to it to counteract that blue. You’ve got to choose the correct concealer. You want to make sure you choose one that is the more [xx] enough if you tend to have fine lines beneath your eye because concealer can draw attention to those fine lines.
Then you need to make sure and apply the concealer only to the discolored area. If you extend it past that dark area, it's going to lighten skin that’s already light color and you're back to multiple shades of skin, so you’ve concealed nothing. So it's a matter of [xx] exactly where you need that concealing. If you’ve just light discoloration, it could be just a matter of a couple layers more foundation in that area, which could conceal it as well.
Teri Struck: Other tips that you have in your book, which I like is the IPL photo facial which does help discoloration and it's a very easy facial that you can get in a surgeon’s office.
Robert Jones: Yes, definitely. Just keep in mind that under eye dark circles is not about something as topical or as pigmented as those photo facials do the most work on. Sometimes, it is something that can be caused from sinus [sp], just different things that that [xx].
Teri Struck: Exactly.
Robert Jones: Exactly. It may not take care of dark circles. It can help everything else but dark circles, many times, is something that’s more hereditary.
Teri Struck: Allergies, too. You're right. One thing I read a long time ago and you can correct me, [xx] is that it could be allergies. I have found if I got dark circles before a party, I’ll take a half of child’s Benadryl the night before, when you're going to sleep, because obviously, it makes you a little tired and that’s why I take the children’s tablet. But you have to check with your doctor before doing anything like that. But it really does help. You need to get diagnosed, too, why you have it.
Robert Jones: Yes. Actually, they're discovering that dark circles, meantime, is a form of bruising underneath the eye. So a lot of the products has vitamin K and it actually helps as well depending on what your dark circles are being caused from.
Teri Struck: That’s good tip. Then, so when you move past the foundation, tell us about your blushing and stuff like that.
Robert Jones: I know that one of the worst things that [xx] does to us as we age is just as your hair goes gray, it loses pigment and that’s how it goes gray. Your skin does the same thing as well. You lose color to your skin as you age. Unfortunately, you get little spot but not all over, you start to lose it. So one of the most flattering things you can do for yourself most youthful is to pop some color and add some color to your face with your blush.
One of the most important things with blush, though, I have to say, is I find that a lot of women tend to choose a blush which is too dark. A good rule of thumb is never choose a blush that’s any darker than what you flush to. So if you were to run around the block real quick or get over exerted to shade you flush to, you don’t want anything darker than that. Also, always choosing a warm shade of blush – a warm undertone, a bright apricot, a soft peach – those are shades that are very complimentary to your skin as you age and universally complimentary to all skin undertones. It will give you a great little flush like you had a really good night last night, whether you did or not.
Teri Struck: Where do you put that blush exactly? We're not talking about the tint or that was a bronzer, we're talking about right the blush.
Robert Jones: We're talking about blush. That, for me, blush is a two-step process. You need a bronzer and you need a blush. Your bronzer, which you would apply first would go on your cheekbone, back towards your hairline coming towards the apple of your cheek. But the bright beautiful color simply goes on the apple of your cheek. So if you were to smile and you were just take a big fuzzy blush brush, if you were to take that and brush it back towards your ear, you will get the concentration of color on the apple of your cheek, which gives you that really beautiful glow.
Teri Struck: Where do you put the bronzer?
Robert Jones: The bronzer goes actually on your cheekbone, so starting from the back of your cheek, you would come towards your apple right along that cheekbone. Then you can also blend it up on to your temples and down on to your jawbones for a little bit of extra added color.
Teri Struck: Do you put on the bronzer on first or the blush?
Robert Jones: I prefer to put the bronzer on first. If you can't find your cheekbone, a really good way to do it – which I find works universally for everybody – is if you were to smile, take your index finger placed down the center of your apple. Then if you were to take your thumb and place it where your ear connects to your head at the top, bring your thumb towards your index finger, you will find your cheekbones. You'll know exactly where to put your bronzer.
Teri Struck: That’s really good advice. Your book, “Looking Younger,” has such beautiful pictures in it and we're going to give the information on PersonalLifeMedia.com how you're going to be able to purchase your book.
Robert Jones: I also got through that exact with pictures, that exact finding your cheekbones in the book as well.
Teri Struck: Your gorgeous, gorgeous pictures.
Robert Jones: Thank you.
Teri Struck: Really, unbelievable make-up. I want to talk about brows next, but I think we're going to have to take a little commercial break. We're going to be right back with Robert Jones, “Looking Younger.” We're going to be back with tips for your brows. Hold on, we'll be right back. PersonalLifeMedia.com
Teri Struck: Hi. This is Teri Struck, host of Personal Life Media and “Beauty Now.” Welcome back, Robert Jones, “Looking Younger.” We were just talking about tips for our face. How can we look younger, Robert? Please help us.
Robert Jones: There's so many ways. One of the things you mentioned right before we left was brows, and I'm a big believer in fuller brows make you look younger. Unfortunately, one of the cruel things that happens as we age is we tend to lose those brows. So creating a fuller brow can help you look younger. It's very easy to do by simply layering pencil and then following with a bit of brow powder, which is the same color as a pencil to help make it look more natural and last longer and giving more coverage.
In the book, “Looking Younger,” I go over the basic ways to find where your brow should be. But, in filling it in, just always remember that our goal is to mimic natural brow hairs, so the sharper the pencil, the better the application. You want to do little hairlike strokes in the direction of the hair growth and then follow that by brushing over with a short, stubby, angled stiff brush with your brow powder, just to fill it even further.
Teri Struck: Also, I would like you to advise our listeners against going to, what you say, the nail salons and it could be how they wax your brows and they're gone.
Robert Jones: Yes.
Teri Struck: So you really need to go to a professional.
Robert Jones: You really need to go to a professional. The worst thing you can do is twist your brows because, unfortunately, when you wax your browse, if you pull the hair out in the opposite direction as they grow, they could grow back not correctly. They could grow back sticking out instead of lying down. So the last thing you want to do is overwax and have them pulled out in that direction. It's important to find someone that specializes in brows. Also, I would suggest to, actually, try to find someone in your area that threads versus waxing because the threading is a custom from the Middle East where they take a thread and they twist the thread and it is less harsh on the skin. Whereas the hot wax on the skin can pull layers of skin off whenever you wax.
Teri Struck: You can get burned.
Robert Jones: You can get burned, and I personally – this is just my personal feeling – I think, over years and years and years of using a hot wax, it could lead to some crapiness [sp] of the skin because you have tortured it by burning it so many times.
Teri Struck: Exactly. I would actually spend the extra money doing the brows. I think we can save money on some products and your tips and things like that. But one thing I wouldn’t skimp on is your brows because they're just right there.
Robert Jones: It's way up there and if we're going to spend some money and you're going to pamper yourself, that would be one of the first things I would do because they are the first things people see. They are the frame to your eye, they're the expression to your face. They're so important.
Teri Struck: What do you think about tattooing your brows?
Robert Jones: I'm not a big believer in tattooing on make-up simply because what you want on your face at 35 is not what you're going to want on your face at 65. Also, where your brows are at 35 is not necessarily where they're going to be at 75. So I think if you have none, I can understand the desire for some tattooing. I would just definitely strongly suggest that you have them tattooed on a little paler than you think you need them. Then, it just gives you a guide towards apply your brow color so that you can add to it. But then that way, you have a little something when you have not make up on without being too severe.
Teri Struck: My advice, too, would be go to a nurse practitioner who really, really knows what you're doing because what you're saying is true. You do not want to be stuck with some color or tattoo on your face that you can't have removed.
Robert Jones: Exactly.
Teri Struck: It has to be done [xx].
Robert Jones: [xx] lots and lots and lots of examples that people they’ve done don’t just randomly pick someone. That’s another place, that’s another time when don’t find the cheapest. You want to find the best.
Teri Struck: Right.
Robert Jones: The best usually costs money.
Teri Struck: Especially if it's going to last.
Robert Jones: Yes, especially if you're going to be stuck with it for a long period of time. Then, if you can, find pictures of how your brows used to look when you were young so that she can maybe mimic the shape when you still had them. If it's something that you had it one time and you no longer have, rather than giving you a standard shape that everybody has. That way, it's your personal shape. That’s one of my biggest thing with brows, I think women try to make their brows match someone else’s brows rather than making them the most beautiful they can be for who they are and using their natural growth pattern to shape their brow.
Teri Struck: What do you suggest in what color? Some people lighten their hair.
Robert Jones: Yes.
Teri Struck: I'm not saying who, but would you suggest that they have their natural brow color or would you lighten your brows as well?
Robert Jones: say it's going to depend on how you lighten. If you're just doing some highlights that are few and you still got a lot of your natural color, going for your natural color can work. But if you're doing an overall, choosing a lighter shade, choosing to be blond, you're going to need to lighten your brows. Your brows, show technically, in order to look their most youthful, should be the same shade as your hair or a shade lighter.
No, I'm not talking about natural blonds or women that are silver gray haired because they're going to be naturally darker. But for medium blond and darker, you never want them to be darker than your hair color because then, it looks harsh. So if you're choosing red as your natural color, have your brows tinted to match your hair. If you're choosing blond as your natural hair color, have them lighten a bit so they're closer to what you're going for.
Teri Struck: For those of us on a budget, how would you go about lightening your brows?
Robert Jones: Another one of those things that you don’t skimp on.
Teri Struck: You don’t do that.
Robert Jones: The worse thing you'd want is to walk around with orange eyebrows as you try to lighten them at home.
Teri Struck: Well, Halloween is coming.
Robert Jones: Yes, Halloween is coming, so it could be a Halloween thing.
Teri Struck: Right, if you really mess up.
Robert Jones: Yes.
Teri Struck: So that’s true. You want to go to a professional.
Robert Jones: You want to go to a professional. There are certain things that you can budget, you can do on a budget and there are certain things that you’ve got to just spend the money on to look your best.
Teri Struck: That’s true. That’s so true, and that’s always really good advice.
Robert Jones: Yes.
Teri Struck: Tell us about lashes.
Robert Jones: Save money on a lipstick, save money on a lipgloss. Spend money on your brows and your foundation, on your powder, on your concealer.
Teri Struck: Alright, tell us about lashes.
Robert Jones: Lashes, lashes.
Teri Struck: Lashes, long lovely lashes. That’s what we want.
Robert Jones: Yes. It's one of my biggest things. I have a joke. I have five words to say about eye lashes and it's curl, curl, curl, curl, curl. There is no quicker, faster face lift than curling your lashes. Even if you think your lashes are naturally curly, you would be surprise to how much more open up your eye will appear once you curl your lashes. It literally lifts everything.
Teri Struck: Eyelash curler then are a must for the list.
Robert Jones: Must for the list, and there are so many variations out there nowadays. If the crimp curler scares you, I hid one that works after mascara, so you don’t have to crimp them. There's a huge number of them. But, thick, dark luscious lashes could be all you do for you're eyes and it could do wonders.
Teri Struck: I love lashes.
Robert Jones: Yes. I think one of the biggest mistakes women make as they start to…I like to joke that women are either over 12 or under 12. When I say 12, I do mean 12 times five, 12 times seven. But one of the biggest things that women stop doing because they give up, which is the biggest mistake, is curling their lashes as they start to age. They think, “Why bother.” It can do as much as pushing some of that lid back that’s starting to fall, it opens everything up. Then, thick, dark, luscious lashes, I think your lashes are 80% of your eye make-up. If you’ve got dark, thick beautiful lashes, it's going to neatly open your eye up.
Teri Struck: [xx] when you wake up in the morning, and you have great lashes, it's great.
Robert Jones: It is.
Teri Struck: Really, you don’t need much more make-up than lashes.
Robert Jones: Lashes and lip gloss and a brow color and you're good to go.
Teri Struck: You're good to go.
Robert Jones: Yes.
Teri Struck: Most of us know and we did have the lady, Jan Marini, who did Revitalash, and I've seen amazing results with Revitalash.
Robert Jones: Amazing results.
Teri Struck: I've accused my friends of having lash extensions, “Oh, you’ve got lash extensions.” “No, it was Revitalash.” So I love that. So what type of mascaras do you love?
Robert Jones: Oh, God, I love so many mascaras. One of my things that I carry actually about eight of them in my case. If on a budget, I love Maybelline Lash Discovery.
Teri Struck: I love Maybelline.
Robert Jones: Yes. Maybelline Lash Discovery is amazing. It has this little wand so you can really get details, but it still builds. So if you're on a budget, that’s a great mascara. If you have all the money in the world and can really splurge, I have everything from Clinique Dramatic Lash to Chanel Instalash, there's so many. The main thing to remember about any mascara that you use, because I think this is where women run into issues with their mascara when they run into clumping and caking, is you’ve got to replace it at least every three months.
If you're using a formula that builds, which means that it's adding particles to your lash, you need to replace it probably every two months, because that formula dries out faster. The fresher it is, the better application you're going to get. Also, when you pull a wand out, when you open up a tube of mascara, that wand has too much mascara for most women to control. If you could clean some of that bad product off, it will enable you to get it on smoother, less clumping, you'll have better control of it.
Teri Struck: That’s really good advice. I've never heard that. That’s great.
Robert Jones: Yes. No matter what formula or brand I've ever used, when I pull that wand out, that’s more product than I need. The best thing to do, I scrape it on the top of the tube or you can take a tissue or paper towel – I say cheap because if it's too nice, it's going to have a lot of lint to it – and just wipe some of that product off before you start.
Teri Struck: Do you do any eye pencil before mascara or after?
Robert Jones: There's no definite has to as to your order. I would say for me, I do mascaras first because I like to see what am I going to get from my mascara, how much I can get out of the lashes. That will determine how much pencil I may or may not want, because what more I need for the pop eye or the intensity I need. So if someone’s got really naturally thick lashes, I may going to need less pencil. If someone’s got very sparse lashes that aren’t showing up, I may need more pencil. But only to make sure that as to make it look like it's really thick lashes.
Teri Struck: What's your favorite pencil?
Robert Jones: My favorite pencil, if you're on a budget, I would say Mary Kaye has a great eyeliner pencil, and I say that because it smudges or it stays put depending on what you do, it's waterproof. If you're not on a budget, I would say I love Lancome.
Teri Struck: I love Lancome.
Robert Jones: I also love Scott Barnes eyepencil. They both have great blendability. For me, that’s one of the biggest things with a pencil is I want to be able to blend it because I don’t want a harsh line unless I'm going forward an Audrey Hepburn kind of effect. So I always go over my pencils with a bit of a matching eyeshadow and a brush to smudge out that line. With the pencil, what you're trying to create is you're trying to create a [xx] and intensity at the lash line. So you're really trying to make your lashes look thicker with your pencil and you're trying to get that pop, so I would like my pencil to be smudged.
Teri Struck: Okay, we have a couple more minutes, so we want to get to lips.
Robert Jones: Okay, lips. You can never go wrong with full, luscious, glossy, sexy lips. I think every woman needs a great gloss. Gloss will make your lips look fuller, and one of the things that happens once again is we get over 12 is we lose [xx] in our lips. Thankfully nowadays, they make a lot of products that will help lip glosses not bleed that you can use around your lips. Paula Dorf makes some perfect delusions so you don’t have to worry about lip gloss bleeding into those fine lines and I think lip gloss is always a must. Also, let me just say on every based skin, darker shades immediately age you. So a little more colorful as we age, a little brighter and just to add color back to your face, almost like as we're doing with our blush. So you're lifting your cheeks in two places and you can really add color and life back to your face.
Teri Struck: What's your favorite products for the lips?
Robert Jones: My favorite products for the lips as far as my favorite formulas?
Teri Struck: What's your best advice for Caucasian women, Asian women, African-Americans? Let's just keep right it there.
Robert Jones: My favorite advise for African-American women is to line [xx] your lips entirely to even out lip color and then gloss on top of it. Asian and Caucasian women, once again, I would probably say one of the tricks that I use in those is not only draw a line the lips so I could remember that liner to help everything last longer and also look more natural.
Teri Struck: I like the natural look, it looks great.
Robert Jones: Yes.
Teri Struck: So you're saying that you put on darker lipstick that it ages you. I didn’t know that.
Robert Jones: Yes, it immediately ages you. If you see a young girl that wants to go [xx] on her immediately. You'll even find with a lot, as a line, they're coming out with a lot more – I don’t want to say nude – but more natural shades that have a hint of color but aren’t overpowering. That’s because that is actually a trend, lips that don’t jump out at you but still add color and life.
Teri Struck: I know what I like is that Bennetint. It's like a little red cherries thing.
Robert Jones: Yes. You just have to make sure that you exfoliate your lips regularly in order to make it go on evenly.
Teri Struck: Okay.
Robert Jones: I always like to put a little clear gloss right on top of it.
Teri Struck: I'm going to do today.
Robert Jones: Yes. There's a couple of ways to exfoliate. The easiest way to exfoliate your lips not just for every woman to keep them plumper constantly because even any dermatologist, any plastic surgeon would tell you even with your skin on your face, one of the most things you can do is to exfoliate. One of the easiest because it makes your skin regenerate and one of the easiest ways to exfoliate your lips is to go ahead and brush them when you brush your teeth.
Teri Struck: Oh, good idea.
Robert Jones: [xx] brushing and it will get all those dead layers off which is what can cause the Bennetint not to go on evenly.
Teri Struck: Good idea, that’s another really good tip. Any more tips that you have for us?
Robert Jones: Have fun with make up. Don’t take it too seriously. Try new things, because one of the biggest mistakes women make is stopping and getting stuck in a look that they had in her ‘30s. That’s statistically when women feel most the beautiful is mid-30s. You’ve got to constantly change. Try new things. Just remember, if you don’t like something or doesn’t look good, it washes off. So don’t be scared to try something new. If you read something in a magazine, don’t be scared to try it. Also, make-up is returnable. So if you buy shade in a store that you don’t feel looks good once you get it home in real light and in real lighting, it is returnable. So don’t be scared to try new things and have fun.
Teri Struck: Make-up is fun and that’s why we're so glad that we're able to talk to you today. One last tip I wanted you to share was about if you get a blemish.
Robert Jones: Yes. That’s one of the things, there is a quick-easy thing to make it easier to cover with a blemishes. If you get a blemish – now, I'm not talking of blemish you'd picked at or if there's any [xx] in a skin – but if you get a blemish where there's some redness being created, you can take a Q-tip and a little Visine and apply it to that area and it will reduce the redness, which will make that blemish easier to cover.
Teri Struck: That’s what I'm talking about. That’s great advice. I wish that we had more time. We're going to have you back for another show.
Robert Jones: I would love to.
Teri Struck: Thank you so much. This is such great tips, and you can get Robert Jones’ book. Go to PersonalLifeMedia.com, we're going to link his website with ours, you're going to be able to find out how you can purchase this book, which has so many great tips to look younger. You definitely are an expert and you're very much fun. Thank you. We'll definitely have you back.
Robert Jones: Thank you. Also, on our website, we have lots of great tools, too, as well to help you look younger. So I'd love to be back and love to talk again and I'd love to talk to your listeners again.
Teri Struck: That’ll be great. We're going to definitely have you back. So go to PersonalLifeMedia.com, email me at Teri@PersonalLifeMedia.com if you have any questions and you want to know how to get a hold of Robert Jones. We have all that on our website.
Thanks again, Robert.
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