Episode 32: Al Link & Pala Copeland: Hot, Emotionally Rich, Spiritually Evolving Relationships

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Meet Pala Copeland and Al Link. Sacred Loving is what they do, full time, both in their living together and in their working together. Al and Pala are relationship experts who teach committed couples how to create a lifetime of love through workshops, books, personal coaching, public appearances and their blog.

In our interview we find out what Al and Pala mean by “Tantra”, “Taoist Sex Practices”, “Kama Sutra”. We talk about the difference between “falling” in love and “creating” love to last for a lifetime or more. After more than 20 years of Tantric practice and more than 10 years as teachers, Al and Pala have great things to say about keeping the flames of passion burning indefinitely in your relationship. And don’t miss their sweet, simple exercise for you to try at home.

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Chip August: Welcome to “Sex, Love, and Intimacy”. I'm your host, Chip August, and today on the show, we are going to be talking about love and keeping love alive and keeping love hot and passionate. Particularly, we're going to be talking about Tantra and sexual practices, talk a little bit about Kama Sutra. We're talking with my guests, Al Link and Pala Copeland. Al and Pala are Tantra teachers and sacred sex teachers and relationships experts. They help people to create love for a lifetime. They're practitioners of [++]sex workshops for more than 10 years now. They published four books, “Soul, Sex, Tantra for Two”, “The Complete Video Guide to Supercharged Kama Sutra”, “Sensual Speaker to a Couples”, and “28 Days to Ecstasy for a Couples: Tantra Step by Step” which is their newest book.

Pala Copeland: Some Tantra practitioners include ritualized sex with many people in the same room. It's not an orgy but it's ritualizes sexual process, but that’s sort of one extreme. We basically just laid there and allowed these waves to come over us and have an experience that lasted for hours. It was a mystical, ecstatic, extraordinary experience.

Sometimes parents make a mistake of transferring all their attentions to their children and figure “I can have time when they're grown up” for each other. Instead, what happens is the children are grown up and the parents have nothing in common anymore. So we suggest to people make time for your relationship even when you have little children.

Al Link: When they're with someone that is not their committed partner, their life partner, and they start to feel that sexual energy, what they do is they just take that energy and they move it up as comes up through the higher chakra centers. It becomes refined and distilled. Well, our emotions are basically energy, that’s the approach that we take. So rather than labeling that as good or bad, we just say, “OK, you've got that energy. Now, what do you want to do with it?” So if the energy happens to be manifesting itself as jealousy, then what you do is you just take that and you transform it, you transmit it and you do that by pointing it up through the chakra centers.

Chip August: Welcome, Al and Pala.

Al Link: Thank you.

Pala Copeland: It’s a pleasure to be speaking with you, Chip.

Chip August: Yes, it's my pleasure, too. You, guys, seem to have a corner on something that I'm quite interested in. A lot of my readers are in relationship or want to be in a long term relationship, and this whole idea of Tantra, Kama Sutra--a lot of people think pretty esoteric, and maybe even cultish, people wonder, “Is it a religion?” So let's just start there, can you just tell me a little bit about what is Tantra?

Al Link: Sure. It's a practice that dates back quite a few thousand years, anywhere probably from 4,000 to 6,000 years originating primarily in India. These practices included sacred [++] sensuality practices where people would learn to use their sexual energy. Instead of just having an orgasmic release of pleasure, they would learn to circulate that energy and move it up through their bodies. And as they did that, the higher chakra centers would open and they would have experiences that some people now refer to as rush where they would have an illumination or an awakening or an enlightenment.

So ever since then, people have been exploring the use of sexual energy as a spiritual practice. In the West currently, there are practices of Tantra, of course, they have nothing to do with sex, but the things that we teach about certainly do have to do with sex.

Chip August: You talked about chakras. What are the upper chakras?

Pala Copeland: There are energy centers in the body and both Indians and Chinese approaches to medicine and to spiritual life. In the basic approach to those energy centers, there are considered to be seven of them - three on the lower part of the body at the genitals, the belly and the solar plexus; one right in the middle of the heart then three above at the throat, the forehead and the top of the head; and the ones that are above the heart are the ones that connect us more to a spiritual creative mystically the ones below the heart, being in the body and living in the world. When we make love in a Tantric fashion, we endeavored to generate a high sexual charge and then move it up from our genitals through all of those centers and then experience a very profound connection with one’s self, with one’s partner and then with God.

Chip August: So basically, all that erotic sexual energy that we're generating in our body we're learning how to kind of bring up through our heart and into our mind and in some way, have it really create not just an erotically charged experience but an erotically charged spiritual experience.

Pala Copeland: Exactly.

Chip August: Cool. That sounds fun. And the only thing I ever learned about Kama Sutra, I think I learned it at 14 and I think because at 14, everything sexual was dirty to me. It was a book of sexual positions that my parents didn’t want me to read. What is Kama Sutra?

Pala Copeland: Well, the Kama Sutra actually, it was written probably about 400 and it was a compilation actually of a God’s four relationship between men and women. The part about sexual technique and practice is actually only a small part of the book but it’s, of course, the one that people are most interested in. It gives very explicit instruction on love making practices as well as how to get along. The whole point behind it was to create satisfactory relationships for men and women. So it teaches many, many aspects beside sexual including how to talk with your lover and how to dance and all kinds of other aspects as well as the sexual ones.

Al Link: And the idea of a Kama Sutra was that the life of everyone would include a sexual education and the learning in the arts of love was considered to be essential learning for all men and women in India at that time. Things would become a lot more prudish since then in India because of the British influence primarily. But at that time, it was just expected so that you would learn the arts of love.

Chip August: Well, I'm sad to say but I think things have gotten a lot more prudish pretty much everywhere.

Al Link: Yes, unfortunately.

Chip August: Yes..

Pala Copeland: Things are opening up again.

Chip August: I'm glad to hear you think that. I'm really glad to hear you think that because I often feel like I'm right out in the front of things just talking about sexuality.

Al Link: Well, it's amazing. The people that come to our workshops include Supreme Court justices, Medical Directors of hospitals, doctors and lawyers, Gnome scientists. It's unbelievable, we're really getting mainstream people attending our weekend seminar.

Chip August: Yehey!

Pala Copeland: Yes. So it is spreading.

Chip August: Congratulations. I think it's terrific.

OK, so you're workshops. In California, here, where I live, I often think Tantra workshops are somehow something about unbridled sexuality with anybody in the room. They do something called the Puja (?) and you move from person to person, yet I noticed so much of your literature is really about couples and monogamous couples and couples that want to stay together as a couple and not about including others.

So, does that somehow come as a conflict with Tantra or is that just some misunderstanding I have about it?

Pala Copeland: No, like many things in the world, there are wide ranges of practice, and it was Tantra. The idea of utilizing your sexual energy, discharge the excitement that’s built up during lovemaking for spiritual awakening is magnified when you have sex in a room with a whole bunch of other people. So, some Tantra practitioners include ritualized sex with many, many people in the same room. It's not an orgy but a ritualized sexual practice, but that’s sort of one extreme.

We're kind of at the other extreme where we say relationship is a very personal private aspect particularly sexual relationships. Couples can use that intense sexual power for creating a long term, committed monogamous relationships. So when you look at Tantra, you’ll have practice nurse and teachers like us who are very much focused on using that sexual energy for a wonderful monogamous relationship. Then you have other Tantra teachers who are more interested in using that sexual energy as a group of charge to send you off into the higher states of awakening.

Al Link: Now, one of the core competencies in Tantric Practice is the ability to completely surrender on higher grounds to your partner and to open to the divine energy coming in to you. What we've discovered is that it's just seems to be a lot easier to do that with someone that you love and trust as opposed to say with a bunch of strangers. So learning the art of surrender is such a critical factor that doing that in the context that where committed monogamous relationship is probably the easiest way to do it.

Chip August: How did you learn how to do this?

Pala Copeland: Well, we started up with the spontaneous mystical experience over 20 years ago. It was early on in our own relationship, and at that time, I had no understanding really if sort of energetic where core spiritual matters, but I was really interested in a lot of really good facts. So, Al and I, we would go up to our local big city and we go out dining and dancing and have wonderful romantic evenings and then we go back to our hotel room and we’d make love for long periods of time.

During one of those times, we were lying there and we’d made love for several hours and just lying there it's wonderful afterglow, and I reached my foot out to touch him, and where we touched, we had this amazing rush of electrical pleasurable charge that just zoomed through our bodies. I took my foot away and it stopped and I put it back and it started again. So we experimented with touching our bodies together all over and everywhere we touch, there's a wondrous rush of ecstatic pleasure spread.

So we basically just laid there and allowed these waves to come over us and had an experience that lasted for hours. It was a mystical, ecstatic, extraordinary experience where we were just had expanded consciousness, our bodies we couldn't tell where one started and the other began. It was amazing, and I had no idea what it was. Of course, I'm going like, “Whoo! What is it?” And Al, who’s been someone as an spiritual explorer for many, many years, he said, “Oh, I think this is something called Tantra.” And what we've found out afterwards as we started doing research, was during our extended lovemaking, we dealt a very high sexual charge. And that as we relax afterwards, that charge rushed through us and carried us up to these higher places and so that’s how we first got introduced.

Chip August: That sounds very, very yummy.

Pala Copeland: It was magnificent and it still is.

Chip August: I appreciate all these background information. We're going to take a short break and give a chance to support our sponsors a little bit. When we come back, I want to start talking to you about a little bit more specifically, how does one keep a relationship alive and growing? How does one keep the passion going for year after year after year. But first as I said, we’ll take a break.

Also, listeners, remember that at the end of the show, Al and Pala are going to give us an exercise that we can do at home that might help us intensify and help our passion along. But right now, let's take a short break.

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Chip August: We're back. You're listening to “Sex, Love, and Intimacy”. I'm your host, Chip August. I'm talking to Al Link and Pala Copeland and we've been talking about sacred love and we've actually been talking about Tantra and sacred sexuality. Before the break, I said something about I wanted to come back and talk about some more specifics and I do. What I noticed in a lot of couples I counsel couples, I work with couples and coach couples and one of the things I noticed is how hard it is to transition out of infatuation into long term love. There's like 12 months to 18 months where you were hot for each other, you were crazy about each other and we want to have sex everywhere and there's lust and there's excitement and there's passion. Then, at some point, there's some cooling for most couples. Then I notice, very few couples really know how to make that transition and often sexuality is going to die. They become really good partners, they become really good friends, but it feels like the sexuality goes away.

Do you have an antidote to that? Or, do you not even see that?

Al Link: Yes, I think you're presenting probably the most significant challenge that any couple faces in their relationship, that when you fall in love, that just happens to you and in a sense, taken over and swept away. But then just as much as it starts to happen, we know it's inevitable of that stops happening. So then you have to graduate to creating love and the practices of trantric and other forms of spirituality are one of the best ways to do that.

A little secret that we found that I would suggest as a way to frame this is that when you first fsll in love, you have these feelings that are so strong that you take action on those feelings. You're really highly motivated to act in sexy romantic ways. Then as the relationship ages and that can happen quickly for some people, even in a matter of weeks, but certainly, even in a matter of years for everybody. What happens is this so strong, strong feelings start to diminish. So what we found is that if you carry on with the same behaviors, the romantic sexy behaviors, even if you're not feeling really, really powerfully strongly motivated to do that, then the feelings do come back and that you can actually generate feelings. So what you do is just reverse the sequence. When you first fell in love, the feeling generates the behavior, and then after a while, what you do is you let the behavior generate feeling. It's an extraordinary thing and a way to stay in love for a lifetime.

Chip August: It sounds like a little yoga to me. That sounds like you are in somebody’s positions in the desire that tranquility will follow the position rather than you find tranquility and then assume the position.

Al Link: Well, yes, then Tantra is a form of yoga. It's the yoga of union, the yoga of merging with the beloved which could be a partner or the divine. So it's definitely a form of yoga.

Chip August: This idea of creating love, I think when you say the words, they say, “Oh, that sounds really nice.” But I talked to a lot of people who really are skeptical. You know, love is supposed to just happen, you're not supposed to have to create it. Can you speak about that at all?

Pala Copeland: Yes, and naturally, it is quite common that people believe that. It's so odd because there's very little in our life that we expect people suppose to happen, that we don’t have to create it. I think people, that’s why there are many unhappy relationships because people make a commitment at the beginning then they that commitment is going to carry he and I don’t have to do anything.” However, it's just like anything in life, if you want it to be successful and to strive, one must give it attention.

So, one of the things that we stressed with couples that comes with us that you have to spend time together as lovers. But it doesn’t necessarily mean a lot of sexual activity in your lover’s time. However, but it could be simply just sensual or intimate cuddling and touching and talking. But it's time that must be spent together, feeding the relationship, nourishing each other in a sensual and emotional level. That has to be done weekly at least.

Al Link: One of the things that we've done is that we've added a conversation very deliberately conversation  about how important our relationship is in our life. And what we've done is that we've both agreed and committed to each other that our relationship is the most important thing. It's more important than our work, it's more important than our children, it's more important than our careers, our advocations and our community interest, etc.

No, it doesn’t other things are important. But ironically, what we find is that by making our relationship the most important thing because of what that does to ourselves. The love that’s generated from that the extension of consciousness that comes out, it benefits everyone around us. Our children are better off, our co-workers are better off, our communities are better off, the world indeed is better off.

So firmly I believe that any couple that would consciously make the decision of their relationship is the most important thing, that relationship will thrive and last a lifetime. Whatever you make, the most important thing, you give it attention and you keep nurturing and you keep feeding.

Chip August: So basically, what you're saying, relationship takes time investment, it takes time filling.

Pala Copeland: Definitely.

Chip August: So you just said something that’s really standard, but I know actually controversial, OK? You just said the relationship is more important than my children. I know from a lot of men and women, that’s actually not so simple, that’s not so simple at all. Is that really true for you? How does that translate, if you're making love and the kid’s crying don’t you stop making love and go take care of your kid?. If a child’s demanding a lot of attention, don’t you have to put your relationship, sort of aside to deal with your kids. Like I said, that’s an easy thing to say I think that’s really controversial.

Pala Copeland: It is controversial, but what often happens when people switch their focus of attention from their mate to completely to their children, then they lose the connection with their mate, and the children suffer. We believe the children are very, very important a lot of attention. But at the same time, one has to focus their attention on the relationship as well. Otherwise, the children will suffer. Children know when their parents are happy and in love and good together. They can feel it when their parents are not.

So, sometimes parents make a mistake of transferring all their attention to their children and figure, “I can have time when they're grown up.” To each other. Instead, what happens is the children are grown up and the parents have nothing in common anymore. So we suggest to people make time for your relationship even when you have little children. It takes effort but it's definitely worth it. And in the idea of relationship being important your children is part of the whole thing of presenting a united front to your kids, that kind of aspect.

Al Link: Of course, you have to pay attention if your children are in danger or there's a need that are unmet that needs to be met. You, of course, shift your attention no matter what you're doing you take of that. There’s no neglecting what you're saying for your children. But what you’ll discover, I think very quickly, is that when you shift all your attention away from each other and put it into those other things including your children or your career or whatever, your relationships suffer so badly that eventually, then all those other things also suffer.

But ironically, when you relationship, the most important thing, everything else benefits, nothing else suffers. So you don’t make your relationship the most important thing at the expense of any other part of your life. But you make time for each other and that’s your foundation, that’s your rock, that’s the solidity through which you can go through a very turbulent difficult world and you’ll have that anger.

Chip August: Yes, with a leading question because I don’t disagree with a lot of things. What I notice is as the often, the infatuation dies away and what it gets replaced with is all of the very powerful experiences one has of love with a child. So you have 18 months to two years where you have like that passion gets less and less and less. Then you get pregnant, you have a baby and that’s a whole different kind of low which it's very easy to just throw yourself completely into. It feels like almost often with couples, they lose the ability intimate with themselves and take all of that energy and just put it into their kids. Then wonder why they wind up in divorce 10 years.

Al Link: Right, and then what happens to the kids, they suffer. Not only that, when couples are unhappily together, the children suffer. That is not an advantage for the children. What we're talking about is where two people love each other in the most profound intimate way imaginable, and the children just receives the benefit of the glow of that, the energy of that, the loveliness and the beauty of that.

Chip August: I fell in love with what you're saying, and we need to pause for another break. So we're talking to Al Link and Pala Copeland for Freedom Tantra. This is Sex, Love, and Intimacy. I'm Chip August, and we're going to be take a short break. When we come back, Al and Pala are going to give us a little more of this wonderful talking about Tantra and spirituality and relationships. Also they have an exercise for us, so please join us after you listen to this message from our sponsors.

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Chip August: Welcome back. You're listening to “Sex. Live, and Intimacy”. I'm your host, Chip August. We're talking to Al and Pala, they are relationship experts with wonderful insights into Tantric practices and practices and Kama Sutra. We've been talking about relationships and how to make relationship lasts.

So I'm kind of curious you have an ebook or maybe a book called “Sensual Love Secrets for Couple 4, Freedom of Body, Heart and Soul. What are these freedoms? What do they have to do with what we've been talking about?

Al Link: Yes, it's a book and an ebook and it's available in both formats. “The Four Freedoms” are something that we live by and essentially it's a body, mind, heart, and soul. What we encourage people to do is to engage themselves in life as if those things were freedom rather than, for example which is so often the people comment and people think of their body as the and they they have to escape and so forth and so on.

But we suggest that your body is freedom and it offers you the possibility of communicating in the most intimate way with another human being through the modality of touch. And we've point sensual nutrition to refer to that. think that that sensual nutrition is every bit as important as food nutrition. Then it feeds us in a way that is essential, and without which we don’t thrive. Even with there are experiments early on to show that young children actually die if they don’t get enough touching. So that’s the body freedom.

Then the mind freedom is the idea that we have power over what we think about and we have power over how we think about what we think about. This makes us free because we can choose what we want to allow into our attention and in our consciousness and we can choose to think about that in either a positive or a negative way. But we don’t have to think about what we don’t want. We don’t have to think about what we do want in a fearful way. We can do that in a way that our consciousness with high thoughts and high feelings. Then that opens up into heart freedom which is all about emotion and the heart freedom requires that you actually allow yourself to feel everything. You can't just limit your feelings to the good stuff or you're eventually won't feel anything. So you have to be courageous enough to allow yourself to hurt. Primarily what's involved then is to open yourself to become emotionally vulnerable and transparent to your lover and take the risk that you could be hurt because everybody has had a broken heart, of course.

Of course, soul freedom is the possibility that we can transcend our limits, our personalities, our condition behavior, and we can actually experience God consciousness, we can actually experience enlightenment. The key to that is faith, and faith is the possibility that no matter how bad things right now, right around the corner, something that I could even imagine.

Chip August: So those are the four freedoms in a really, really abbreviated way.

Al Link: Yes.

Chip August: Given that you've got books and workshops about the way I assume there's a lot more to say on this subject.

Al Link: Of course.

Chip August: But let me talk a little bit about heart freedom for a moment here just because I know that jealousy is often an issue with couples. I have an idea this is me and this is what I teach I have a belief that if I practice turning off the part of me that’s interested in and love and flirts and that’s just out there kind of in touch with sexual energy. If I turn that off all day long, it's kind of hard to just like flick a switch and turn it on my beloved. That for me, freedom of heart means that I actually do love many, many, many people. I don’t make love with those people. I have limits, I make choices about how far will those boundaries should be, but I'm open to the feeling of love all the time. The freedom of love believing that I've done a more loving person when I'm with my partner.

Is that what you mean by freedom of heart?

Pala Copeland: That’s definitely a part of it. The understanding that we can be emotionally connected with many, many people we can have very strong intimate loving relationships with others. We do and we encourage that because the more loving you are, the more people, the more love you generate yourself then more love is generated around the world. But as you also talked about, we generally say, “We respect our sexual activity to our chose mate. Sometimes people tend to mix up love and sex. They're so powerful that when they start feeling some kind of love saying they automatically translate it into sex. So it's a positively learning about being loving without it having to be sexual and counterpractice really helps us to learn that.

Al Link: There's a bit of a technique as well, as people learn to work with that energy that we were talking earlier, where you learn how to take it and move up to your body. As people become skilled at doing that, then what happens when they're with someone that is not their committed partner, their life partner, and they start to feel that sexual energy, what they do is they just take that energy and they move it up as it comes up through the higher chakra centers. It become refines and then distilled and it turns into a spiritual energy, an intellectual energy, a loving energy rather than a sexual one. So there is some knowledge involved to be able to cope with the ordinary distractions and temptations from other people.

Chip August: Well, then, of course, the other thing that I teaches is that I don’t automatically think that jealousy is a bad thing. I think there's a quality of jealousy that all mammals experience. So if you have two dogs or two horses or two cats, you've watched them for your attention. You're moment one would get jealous of the other. I don’t think that jealousy is bad. I think that there are things we do with our jealousy that are bad. We heard our own selfish trying to control the other person and we let anger color it. both things are necessarily good, but I try to coach people that, “Great! So your partner is feeling love.” Then, comes back to you and talk to you about that and that brings love back to you.

If you notice you have jealousy, that might just be another expression. That kind of possessive sort of, “I love you so much, I want to own you. “ That’s not necessarily a bad thing to feel.

Al Link: Well, our emotions are basically energy sp approach that we take. So rather than labeling that as good or bad, we just say, “OK, you've got that energy. Now, what do you want to do with it?” So, if the energy happens to be manifesting itself as jealousy, then what you do is you just take that and you transform it, you transmute it. You do that by pointing up through the chakra centers and refining it and distilling it. When that happens, the energy gets transform and you start to feel the more expensive kinds of feelings like love and kindness and compassion.

So there's a bit of learning involved to be able to work through those negative or low energy state. It's like jealous, it's not good or bad. It's real, but if you know how to deal with it, then you could just transform.

Chip August: So that seems like a perfect lead into, so if people wanted to learn more about how to deal with all these and they want to learn more about what you've been talking about, how might they get in touch with you? How could they learn more from you?

Pala Copeland: Well, we have a couple of websites. One of our main websites is www.Tantra-Sex.com. On that site, we have tons of information, of articles about relationships and sexualityTantra. We have links to our book, a lot of electronic books and all kinds of other resources like recipes and some things like that. We also have an 800 number if people want to contact us, 1-800-

Al Link: And our blog URL is AskAboutLoveandSex.com. All the ask about love and sex is all together in those spaces.

Chip August: Well, I want to say in behalf of the blog, that’s actually how I found you all. I was always interesting information about love, intimacy, and sexuality. And surfing the Net, pumped into your blog and pumping into your actually had lots of good things to say. I encourage people to go check it out. To make it a little easier, the series you go to our website, PersonalLifeMedia.com, all one word, you can find text and transcripts of this show and all of the Personal Life Media shows. And in our transcripts, are also links; and also, you’ll find download sites that there are links that will link you to the things that Al and Pala just said. I encourage you to follow those links. Also, you’ll find some advertising there and I encourage you to support our advertisers.

I am really loving talking to you, guys, and we're running out of time. I'm wondering, do you have an exercise or something that people could do at home that you think might increase the love in their lives and help their relationships.

Pala Copeland: Yes, we do, and it's a very simple but very powerful, beautiful exercise and it's called of love. In Tantric is there is a lot of eye contact during a lovemaking, and eyes, they are the windows of the soul. So we can reach very deeply into our hearts through looking into each others eyes. The “The Looks of Love” exercise only takes two minutes a day and it goes simply like this for the . One minute, one person, say, “It's my turn. I will send all the love that I'm feeling for my partner out through my eyes into his” and he opens up to receive it. There's no words, there's just those magnificent feeling expressed through the eyes.

Then the next minute, it could be at the same time, later, he will send all his love to me through his eyes and I will open to receive it.

Chip August: Oh, how sweet. It's extremely powerful actually and some people might find when they try to do this, they already can't do it. They become afraid, they become agitated, they become very nervous because it's extremely intimate. It's almost more intimate than kissing, so all we suggest is that you persist, and as you begin to open, this is the quick easy as I know to get your heart open. You’ll find yourself crying, you’ll know you're making this most intense connection. Then after you've done that a couple of times, you’d be on your way and you’ll want to do this everyday for the rest of your life.

Pala Copeland: And your sex cumulative, because if you're taking that time to really get in touch with your feelings, your partner to show them just through your eyes and feel it through your body, that builds everyday that you do it. So it’ll get you stronger and stronger and lighter and lighter, and more loving.

Chip August: What a sweet exercise, what a sweet idea. And I want to remind listeners that when there are tears on the outside, often they're feeling on the inside. So tears, yes, we don’t need to be afraid of our tears, you just kind of walk them. They’ll take us to a nice place

Pala Copeland: They do.

Chip August: You, guys, are terrific and I have really enjoyed talking to you. Thank you so much for being on the program.

Al Link: It's a pleasure, you're a wonderful host as well.

Pala Copeland: Very joyful.

Chip August: Oh, good.

Al Link: Very professional.

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