Episode 15: Learning Practical Steps to Decouple Fear From Our Moment-by-Moment Choice-Driven Evolution with Guy Finley

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How do we let fear fun our lives? The better question: how do we learn practical steps to decouple fear from our moment-by-moment choice-driven evolution? This extraordinary dialogue with Guy Finley, teacher, spiritual master and director of the Life of Learning Foundation explores how fear and the projection of fear undermines our ability to experience what is truly happening in any moment, as well as our ability to fully love those whom we love in true freedom and openness. Based in Christian mystical teaching, but resonating with deep Taoist and Buddhist understandings, Guy Finley will not only change how you think about fear, but show you boundless horizons of joy, freedom and opportunity on your path to love.

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Adam Gilad: Hello and welcome back to “The Fearless Lover” here on Personal Life Media. My name is Adam Gilad. And on this show we explore the spiritual foundations of enduring and passionate love because it has come to my realization over time that unless you really dig down beneath the surface to the foundations of how we conceive of ourselves and how we are aware of ourselves and how we make art out of our fears and art out of our constrictions and art out of our habits, then we just get tuck in a  never ending cycle.

Gina Bianchini: I can give you a very powerful idea that listeners can work with for the rest of their lives, if they are sincere in their wish to be free of fear.

Yeah. Because see maybe I never realized that I was in a certain kind of relationship where my expectations had become familiarity and that familiarity became contempt when you ceased being what I wanted you to be.

Adam Gilad: We are very very fortunate this week to have somebody who’s new to me and who’s work is very deep and broad. He has been working for, I believe, about 30 years in the field of fearlessness, and self awareness, and personal spiritual growth. His name is Guy Finley.

And Guy I would like to welcome you.

Guy Finley: Thank you Adam very much.

Adam Gilad: Thank you.

Now Guy is the author of a new book called “The essential Laws of Fearless Living.

But before we even get into this amazing new book which I have spent all morning here on beautiful Orchis Island reading, Guy will you give us a little background of how you’ve come to this point.

Guy Finley: Oh dear!

Adam Gilad: Yeah.

Guy Finley: Well long story short Adam I am a person who was born into a very successful show business family. My father was really the progenitor of late night television and talk show genre. He was a Time Magazine man of the decade.

Adam Gilad: Wow!

Guy Finley: And I grew up with the sons and daughters of the Arnez’s, and the Martin’s, and the Manelli’s, and the Sinatra’s. I was sort of in the brat pack running kids.

But from the time was quite literally six years old I recognized something was terribly wrong with the world that I was in. And, of course, you don’t understand these things as a child. It is impossible because you don’t have the mental construct to even begin contemplating why one would feel this disjointedness, this disenfranchised life. But gradually as I grew up and began to participate in the part of plans that we are thrown into at birth it became clear to me.

We never were going to know what real contentment or peace is, what it means to rule our own lives, as long as fear sits in us guiding us and directing us making the choices that it does.

Gradually over the years I began studying, as was available to me in my tender years, became a successful composer, artist. First white guy- my partner and I- soft rock artist  ever to sign with Motown Records. And then after a good run in the music business I quit. I retired at the age of 28 or 29 and began traveling the world looking for someone who might be able to solve some of the contradictions I had yet to understand in my own life.

Came home after a year or so. Found nothing over there which turned out to be very valuable. Then met by great fortune a genuine- I will call him- a Christian mystic here in the states. Spent 14 years working with him. He died in ’92.  I wrote my first book in ’91 at his insistence. It became a best selling book “The Secret of Letting Go”.

And I have been talking and writing on these subjects now since ’81, so almost 30 years.

That is my story and I am sticking to it.

Adam Gilad: I love it. And I love the fact that you bring mystic understanding, which is clear through all your writing but an amazingly accessible practical way. The name of your institute up in Oregon is called The Life of Learning Foundation.

Guy Finley: Yes.

Adam Gilad: I love that because that is ultimately all there is that we can do.

Guy Finley: Agreed Adam. That is right.

Adam Gilad: Is to be open to learning every moment and not get caught up in dogma or ideas or habits or beliefs. So one of the reasons I am really excited about talking to you today and getting to know you better over time is I like your practical approach to these things.

Guy Finley: Thank you.
 
Adam Gilad: Yeah. So I want to open with a couple of questions. I was reading your book “The Essential Laws of Fearless Living and we will get to how to get that later in the show. One of the things that you point out is that we habituated ourselves to living with fears all along. That we begin to believe that that is our authentic self because we are so used to that about ourselves that we don’t even question it.

And what I want to ask you is how do you begin to unravel? What practical steps can one use to begin to unravel the fears that we think we are. And there’s two kinds of fears. And I want to just throw this out before your answer.  One is the fear of “what is”, you know, the fear that we are afraid of the world itself and there is also the fear of “what isn’t” , you know, the fears that we project onto the world. So in about one minute do you think that you could summarize an answer to that?

Guy Finley: I can give you a very powerful idea that listeners can work with for the rest of their lives if they are sincere in their wish to free of fear. And first, this one is a little bit confounding to the mind that hears it for the first time. I will move past it and then into what is more practical.

Adam nothing that is threatened by a fear can be protected by a fear, nothing. But we don’t see that because on one hand we have things that are threatened all the time by fear and then we turn around and we unknowingly ask fear, “What do we do to protect ourselves.” So we are in a very unconscious unhappy negative spiral with regards to our relationship with fear.

But to the practical side, this is such a powerful idea empowering when it comes to producing the real life that is without fear, is that no fear exists without negative imagination. I am going to say it again. When it comes to fear no psychological fear exists without negative imagination. Now that is not the kind of instinctive fear where we   don’t know better, I hope, then to jump of a bridge with an elastic chord attached to our foot.

I am saying that when we are afraid of something the root of that fear is that our mind negatively pictures and event. We hear about something that may take place. And all fear is about what may not what is. Even when  we lose our job, the moment of fear is not by the loss of the job but by what the mind then makes out of the possibilities connected to that state. So the mind creates a negative image and then the same mind that produces that negative image  begins to fear and resist the picture that it has produced.

Then it begins to wonder what to do about the picture that it has produced and this is where we get anxious and begin to make plans to protect ourself.

Now we started protecting our selves and feeling good when the seed of that protection is the fear itself. So fear extends its hold on us every time it convinces us to take measures- and I will go back to what I said- to protect ourselves by the very thing that threatened us in the first place.

And the key here Adam is that all of this is taking place in a mind that is asleep to itself. That first imagines the fearful moment to come. Then hate the fearful picture it produces. And then tries to protect itself from the pain inherit in that picture. So the fear is not real.

I have a poem that you will like.  It’s from another book.

The feel is real but the why is a lie.

Just like a kid lying in bed, sees the scary picture. The feeling is real but the why is a lie. It is exactly the same thing all the way through our lives. We feel the fear that is produces when the mind makes an image that it then resists and then it calls the picture and the state that follows it real. The why is a lie. The feel is real.

Adam Gilad: So at that key point in the beginning how do you attach on that cycle of having a fear, creating a picture of the fear and then responding to your creative… You are already in the story of the fear. So you are responding to your own picture of the fear, if I get what you are saying.

Guy Finley: Yeah.

Adam Gilad: So everything that is happening is really you are now in the fear story.

Guy Finley: Yep. You are in fear story.

Adam Gilad: So let’s see if we can take a practical application of this.

So this show is very much about intimate relationships, right?

Guy Finley: Yep.

Adam Gilad: And so let’s take a point where someone might have a fear and then start projecting. So what is a common one in an intimate relationship?

Guy Finley: I saw you look at someone.

Adam Gilad: Ah beautiful! OK.

Guy Finley: You are not supposed to look at anyone but me.

Adam Gilad: So let’s take that.

So the fear is I saw you look at someone. You desire other people. You don’t want me. You are going to leave me. Therefore, what I need to do is hector you enough about that so I will shame you out of wanting to leave me. Now hearing the story of the fear and you are creating the eact same situation you don’t want.

Guy Finley: That is right because then you push away the person based on actually trying to protect yourself.

Adam Gilad: Exactly!

So at that moment where you see your partner looking at someone and you…Yeah. The process of awareness is…OK. You can run that. I just did it in a second. I can see the whole story.

By the way I have been a screen writer for 14 years. So I am really good at seeing how a story develops from a simple idea.

So what is an alternative right there? At that moment, when you look at your partner and he is looking at a beautiful woman passing by, how do you shift out of that fear creating story?

Guy Finley: We have to, first of all, -I call it- use the spring board. The minute  that you become stressed, worried, anxious, or in this instance frightened - and they are all negative states so lets just group it like that- the minute you feel a negativity of any kind of fear and anxiety you must recognize that that moment is the telltale sign that you are standing at a crossroad.

The crossroad at the moment is whether I take the road all the time traveled, the familiar one, which is letting my mind run this trail of associations that produce the heartache or do I come awake.

Now what does it mean to come awake? I have already caught the first step. I feel this fear and I can feel it trying to bring me into the story. At that point I want to ask myself if this is the best I can do because the truth is- Do you need somebody to tell you how to get out of that room Adam if it is on fire?

Adam Gilad: No.

Guy Finley: You don’t. The recognition of the reality of the situation is all that you need to act appropriately.

When we wake up and as we do the very instant that we catch the negativity of fear passing through us is the indication that we were asleep and now we need to reclaim our attention and instead of allowing our mind to direct us where it wants to direct us, which is into the dark apprehension of what may take place, we bring ourselves back into the present moment where through our awareness of our self we realize- and this can bring us to the question- is this thought or feeling serving me in this moment or is it trying to steal something from me?

And if we are awake we can see that any thought that says, “Oh my God! What is going to going to happen? I better do this. I better do that. I better control you.” is not serving me. It is stealing from me the possibility of being aware of a much broader story.

And here is a beautiful thing. The only thing that frightens us about another human being is what we want from them. Period. Which means in the moment that I become afraid due to what I think you may be doing it is an indication that I am wrongly attached to you and that my dependency can never be anything but an extra weight, an anchor, on our relationship. So I should actually thank the moment for showing me where it is that I am wrongly attached to you.

Not that I don’t love you but I am not going to allow my life to be chained to what anyone else does regardless of how much I love them because who and what I am does not depend upon you for its value.

Adam Gilad: I am with you. I have one question and one clarifying question.

Guy Finley: Yes.

Adam Gilad: So lets take a big step back to that moment of the person looking at the other person. So there is two steps here and I love that you say awareness is not enough. It is one of your great quotes from your book.

Awareness is the first step, if I am reading you correctly.

Guy Finley: Yes it is.

Adam Gilad: OK. So the first moment is to say, “Oh I am having this negative state over the fact that my partner just looked at somebody.” The second step is taking an action. So what are some actions that would help to de-anchor or de-habitualize ourselves from going down that story of fear?

Guy Finley: One of my favorite ideas; whenever we meet a moment in which we have a negative reaction our habitualized mind is conditioned to looking at the situation and blaming it for the suffering that we are having. The new paradigm, if we want to be genuine human beings who understand the real nature of love, is to look at that situation and to realize that the moment only serves to reveal what I have brought into it with me.

Adam Gilad: mmm…

Guy Finley: So at that point I learn to say inwardly, “Thank you. I didn’t know that about myself.” Now we take the power away from a divided to blame the situation for the suffering we are in and we turned it into a learning situation where instead of  resisting a condition we are using those very circumstances to become increasingly aware of the activity of our own unconscious nature of what goes on in the dark of us.

And the light that we bring to that moment, meaning how willing we are to be aware of and bare what we are seeing about this fear and what it is telling us we are going to lose and what is going to happen to us, the freer we become because no one will allow consciously a negative state to become their consolation, their direction.

So that awakening takes us to a new point in our life where we let go and start to become watchful instead of willful. I am going to say it one more time. In that moment of the fear we become watchful instead of willful because we now know from our observation that the will that comes to us to act in those moments is not our, it is not serving us, but it is the will of fear and conditioned negative reaction and we will not participate any further in what has punished us to date.

Adam Gilad: Beautiful! And when we are talking about freedom, what you are saying is…I am picturing the couple. I am picturing them on the street. And I am going back to that very practical application.

Guy Finley: Right.

Adam Gilad: What happens when you do take this road? I really see there are two story lines. One is the fear story line. If you start taking that road your partner will feel it and your partner will feel less free and will feel constrained by you. If you take this other one, which is, “Thank you. I didn’t know that about myself.” Your partner, chances are, will recognize that you noticed, and not feel constrained, and may even love you more for leaving your partner free to…

Guy Finley: I guarantee it.

Adam Gilad: Yeah.

Guy Finley: I guarantee it. And you know what else Adam? And if your partner wants to keep looking you still have done the right thing because now you are breaking free of the false dependency you have on that relationship. So that no matter what happens, what we discover that is true about ourselves serves us every step of the way in increasing our capacity to grow as a human being, which is the same as deepen our relationship with real life. Which is the same as realize love as our guide and as the center of ourselves that has given us the lesson that liberated us.

Adam Gilad: That is a heart full and a mind full.

On that I want to take a short break so that we can listen to our sponsors for one second. The people who make this show possible.

In a few minutes we are going to come back with Guy Finley and I am sure everyone is going to stay. I can’t wait to see what else you have to say.

Guy Finley is the founder and the director-I imagine- of The Life of Learning Foundation in Oregon . You can always find him at guyfinley.org, by the way. And we are going to have more information about his new book about the essential laws of fearless living.

We will be back in a minute.

[Break]

Adam Gilad: Welcome back. This is Adam Gilad and you are listening to “The Fearless Lover” where we explore the spiritual roots or enduring passionate and free love.

We are with Guy Finley who is the founder and director of The Life of Learning Foundation. Guy welcome back.

Guy Finley: Thank you Adam.

Adam Gilad: OK. We left off talking about living a life of utter freedom. And somehow freedom and love meet. One of the impoti, impotices, for me doing this show was a very powerful book called “The Mastery of Love”.  I am not sure if you are familiar with it.

Guy Finley: I am not, but go ahead.

Adam Gilad: Don Miguel Ruiz who is best known for “The Four Agreements” and he is drawing from his tradition and in that tradition they make a division between fear and love. That when you are caught by the “parasite of fear”- they call it- then you can actually live a life of love. And it is a duality. And when I listen to you I hear the duality certainly in the stories you make is either love or lust, rather, fear or freedom.

So what is the relationship for you personally between freedom and love because there are two kinds of freedom? Freedom is the freedom to be in the moment. And in your work I feel a lot of Dallas residence I feel a lot of Buddhist residence where you are just at peace with what is, without assigning any quality to it. But certainly in the Christian tradition and in other traditions being without fear is not so much just being with what is but being in a state of love or bliss or God consciousness.  So how do you see the relationship between freedom and love?

Guy Finley: I don’t see any distinction really between them. Or, for that matter, I don’t really see any distinction between fear and love other than to say that this is, I think and important idea. It is a little bit deep. Let’s see if we can make it clear.

Adam Gilad: We can handle it. OK?

Guy Finley: Look no one wants to be an unpleasant angry frightened human being.  No one wants to be that. One of the things that we would all do well to understand is that wherever we are, who ever we see, - and I mean  who ever it is- that person is actually doing- as hard as it is to believe- the best they know how to do.

No one wakes up in the morning and says, “You know, today I am going to try to destroy the world.” People wake up and say, “Today I am going to do the best I can and make myself happy.” Now if it means destroying the world then history will prove that I am right. But we do the best that we know how to do.

And the reason I am saying that is because when we talk about fear what we are really saying is that at any given moment the root of a fear is always in what I have yet to understand about my self. That is the root of a fear. Whether you have never in your life had a spiritual thought  or you’ve managed by grace to awaken to some extent.

The only thing there is to fear in life is not what life brings to us but what we have yeat to understand about our relationship with that moment.

So when we begin to get that a little bit, see the truth of it, then we realize then that means that it is the moments that I fear that are actually the doorway to the further integration of myself because it is the fear, not that punishes me, but that actually serves to reveal to me where it is that I have called a partial reality, the whole thing.

Adam Gilad: Reveal self to self.

Guy Finley: Yes. So we get this idea that little by little- and that is what I mean by “Thanks. I didn’t know that about myself.” Is that when we recognize that this darkness serves the light that reveals it then we realize that fear serves the love that heals it.

Adam Gilad: I knew that I was attracted to you. You are great.

One thing that I find that is very destructive historically and, as well, personally for individuals is this idea of perfectionism and spirituals ideals where somehow if your not fully enlightened or fully loving, if you are not living in Christ consciousness or Buddhist consciousness then you are bad, then in some way you are deeply flawed and in a funk.

Guy Finley: Flawed. Yeah.

Adam Gilad: And one of your great lines, which really struck me, you wrote the strength of any weakness within us is the degree to which it is feared.

Guy Finley: Yep.

Adam Gilad: And I love that because it takes away the sense of inadequacy and it gives a road.

Guy Finley: Yes. It is. It is absolutely empowering because it means that where we have…and it is no one’s fault. I mean, we are born into a world whose entire context has created a consciousness in which fear is seen as being a productive  aspect of progress and profitability but when we realize that that whole context that is based on the possession oriented consciousness is not wrong in itself but exists  in isolation apart from the idea of a participation context. So that we got this idea that we are a creator without realizing that we are first a creation.

And as that wrong context grows the conflict has to grow because then resources are seen as limited. When the real source, the real resource, is our capacity for change, we become better more loving human beings. And that is where we get this nice idea that little by little we can start to see, “Ah! You know what I always thought that this moment was an adversary to me.” Because some how or other you or they or them or this or that book, you know it just flies in the face of what I know is good but if I can wake up and start to see that if I am angry and suffering I don’t know what is good, period. I mean it is that simple.

If I am suffering over the fact that you are not loving, I don’t know what love is.

Love embraces. It does not resist.

So what I am getting at here is that are idea right now is that what we have to do, because of our view of the world, is that we have to gain powers in order to be in control and achieve. The real truth is that we have to awaken to what is making us powerless within ourselves.

The discovery of what is making us powerless is the  end of our relationship with it and the awakening to what has already empowered us, which is the capacity to love, to integrate, to become one with. And that is where the whole paradigm shifts and where a person begins to be able to really genuinely relax from this  mistaken fearful view of a reality that is against us and see the moments of life as invitations for transcending ones own false ideas.

Adam Gilad: I think everything you say, guy, could be an hour. You know, I could take every sentence you say and we could do an hour just on that.

Guy Finley: Well we can have other times together.

Adam Gilad: OK. I am listening to what you are saying and I am furiously making notes and its fantastic. Thank you for that statement. It is a beautiful one.

And what I would like to do is apply it a little bit. Take it back down to the very practical purposes.  In intimate relationships, obviously, we are taking this road of fear. And you wrote that no fact, no thing, nothing that arises in the world, is frightening unless it runs into conflict with what we want, right?

Guy Finley: Yeah. Unless we resist it. That is correct.

Adam Gilad: Great spiritual principle. Lets take it down to marriage, a relationship,
because this is….

Guy Finley: Ah! Everything breaks down in the marriage deal.

[Laughter]

Adam Gilad: Exactly! This is a cauldron where all these things are boiling, right?
 
Guy Finley:  It is like physicists, you know, physics works here but as soon as you move into the quantum world forget about it.

Adam Gilad: Exactly.

So lets see if we can make it work in this world because what happens in and I am sure we have both seen often. Is that we get into a relationship- often when we are young we are idealize the relationship then we discover that the person wasn’t as ideal as we thought and we say things like, “Well you have changed.” , as if , that was something odd or wrong.

Or as we get on a little bit in life -we will talk about a different kind of relationship- as you get into your 30’s and 40’s hopefully you stop doing that  and idealizing the person that you are about to marry, for example. And we start seeing that the facts of the partner are not what we want them to be and it is inevitable that some of the facts will not be what we want them to be.

So, in my experience, it seems to me that it is a very very very unusual partner that can bring the approach that I think really works, which is, “I love and respect your unfolding in the world. I am not going to attempt to control it. I will do my best to inspire you forward by my example and if you ask my advice by my advice. But I am not going to control your unfolding and part of my love of you is to respect your unfolding to a higher awareness and I…”

Guy Finley: All right. That is all good.

Adam Gilad: That seems to be, at this point in my life, the only way, from my experience, to make a relationship that is truly based in love and freedom.

Guy Finley: It is. Absolutely! But you here is our problem, so to speak. You can give a person that tool but if they don’t understand how to use it then it becomes an actual stumbling block to that person because now I have idealized how I should be toward you but the fact is I am not that way and it is really bugging me that you are interested in Tai chi or whatever it is because it doesn’t go with my Christian faith. Or who knows what runs through these relationships.

And what we are looking at here is a very powerful important idea that we each must come to a certain understanding about if we want to “become”- I am using that word right now very carefully. - an understanding partner.

Here is the key idea. When you know that what you are looking for is what you already are and not what you may become then you stand on the threshold of a fearless life that allows change in others. But our big problem is- and again this goes right back to that original thing that we discussed- is that I am looking to you-whoever my lover is- for who I am. That is why I don’t want you to change because if you change and I have found myself in what I now have fixed you to be then any change threatens my sense of self.

So it really isn’t  that I don’t want you to change. It’s that I’m not about to change and I fear the feeling I have that I am going to have to.

That is what I meant about it is no good if we don’t understand it. We must, if we are going to have successful relationships with whomever it may be, understand that this moment in time with you is here for you to reveal to me my possibilities, not prove to me who I am by me having fixed you in some state of perfection that you can’t live up to and that should you drop the mask for a moment is going to make me miserable.

So it really does begin…Everyone of us Adam we are just born into this brain that derives an identity out of becoming identified with someone or something outside of us. The attachment forms.  The tendency follows and the dark blossom of fear appears. We must see where this is true and then begin the work, the process of awakening sufficiently to realize, “You know what? It is bothering me? You use to give me a kiss every morning. You stopped yesterday. You use to clean up after me. Or when I cam home you asked me how was my day. You don’t ask any more?”

Now these may be signs of a problem in a relationship that need to be discussed but there is a difference in discussing a relationship with someone and drilling them as to why they have changed.

Adam Gilad: Yes. So a good response…

Guy Finley: Yeah.

Adam Gilad: I know this one. A good response might be they see you stopped kissing me when you came home. A good response might be, “Thank you. I leaned something about myself.” And then saying to your partner, “ I realize – because you didn’t kiss me when you came home yesterday- how much I value your affection when I come home.”

Guy Finley: Or how about this? “ I am going to come kiss you.”

Adam Gilad: Another good one, “ I so realize how much that moment of affection meant to me. I am going to kiss you.” That is a great one.

Guy Finley: Yeah. Because see maybe I never realized that I was in a certain kind of relationship were my expectation had become familiarity and then that familiarity became contempt when you ceased being what I wanted you to be. So all of that works together, but only if we are awake and aware in the moment of what is taking place because when fear steps in it has two possibitilites. It says, “You know what? Attack or flee.” It never says,” You know what, Guy? Maybe, you’re a part of the problem here” or it never says this, “Maybe there is nothing to be afraid of.” That is  something that fear never says.

So all of these beautiful possibilities exist, Adam, in every moment where we are awakened to our selves because instead of letting thought go for us – And this is from scripture, “I go before thee to make the crooked places straight.” – instead of letting though go before us that is generated by fear, we allow that fearful moment to awaken us and we let the light of being open in that moment to all that we are show us the infinite possibilities that exist and as we are awake to that we can begin the process of discovery.

Adam Gilad: Yes. Can I say a giant yes for that?

Guy Finley: Yep.

Adam Gilad: That is a beautiful statement.

Guy we could  go on and we will go on. I would like to meet again on this show in a month or two if that would be good with you?

Guy Finley: Happy to do it.

Adam Gilad: I think we have covered a lot. My mind is a bit spinning. And you have given some beautiful gifts today. And I really want to thank you for that personally and professionally.

Guy Finley: You are more than welcome Adam. I love the truth too.

Adam Gilad: And I am sure our listeners are all very happy.

I want to say a couple things about what Guy is doing and how you can find him. His main sit, I think, is guyfinley.com

Guy Finley: Dot org.

Adam Gilad: I am sorry. Dot org.

He has a new book called “The Essential Laws of Fearless Living”, which drills down into some of the things we were talking about today. And if you want to explore those particular ideas, here is another site you have Guy, which is essentiallaws.org.

And what is that exactly?

Guy Finley: I don’t know.

Adam Gilad: OK.

Guy Finley: Here is what I know about it. The new book “Essential Laws of Fearless Living” is just come out and at that website essentiallaws.org my foundation is offering a host of bonus gifts, really a great wonderful set of tools, MP3’s, PDF’s , wonderful stuff that you get free- even a free DVD, I am pretty sure,- that you get with the ordering of the book through Amazon. So that is what essentiallaws.org is.

You go to that web site and it directs you through a simple set of steps that put you through to Amazon. You order the book through Amazon and then you get six, or seven, or eight, wonderful gifts from the foundation as our thank you for ordering the book and helping to disseminate these ideas into the world.

Adam Gilad: In fact, I am looking at the site now and your staff has been very busy Guy because I see 80 free gifts. Over 80 authors have contributed in support of you.

Guy Finley: Oh, maybe, it is 80. I don’t know. It is a bunch of free gifts.

Adam Gilad: There are MP3’s. There are articles from amazing people such as Wayne Dyer and other very very well know authors and very empowering speakers and teachers, which itself is a mark of the kind of work you have doing to mobilize 80 people to offer something free.

So if someone is interested in this book you would go to essentiallaws.org and you can order the book, I believe, right through there and through Amazon and you will get all these free gifts,

Guy Finley: Yeah.

Adam Gilad: which is just, kind of, an instantiation of what you work is anyway that every moment is a gift. And this is a big one. This is a gift 80 fold. Every moment is a gift if you look at it and unwrap it and see what is actually there to learn.

Guy Finley: Yeah.

Adam Gilad: So Guy thank you so much. It has been an absolute pleasure meeting you and I look forward to speaking to you very very soon.

Guy Finley: Be well Adam and we will speak again.

Adam Gilad: Thank you. This is Adam Gilad. You have been listening to an amazing addition of “The Fearless Lover” here on Personal Life Media.

And we will see you next week.